Some things are unforgivable. If you had a child murdered at Sandy Hook maybe you would understand that. Maybe not.
Lent does not lend itself to a forgiveness/atonement scenario unless the perpetrator expresses remorse. This sadistic monster gets paid to NOT be remorseful!
For you to suggest it’s on the Sandy Hook families to “forgive” is a pseudo-Christian platitude which further abuses survivors who should not be asked/tasked with doing God’s work…at Jones’ ultimate judgement time.
There is one scene in the documentary where Jones is forced to admit he might have been wrong. After court, he marched outside to the TV cameras and spread the same lies again.
Just FYI, this Simply Put character is a bearer of false witness who does not repent the sin. Any performative act of Christianity by them rings hollow.
Look, I’m an atheist and your prayers are just a lot of wasted breath on me, but wouldn’t it be great if a lot more Christians tried to be more like Jesus?
That would be a serious problem for MAGA, so I’m not counting on it.
Yes. Millions of Christians have failed miserably. Many of the richest, most famous and most powerful Christians have determined to wield the power of government, to limit the rights of others who feel no animus toward Christians but simply do not wish for them to assert their belief systems as a means of control.
Fundamentalist Christian leaders embraced Donald Trump as a means to gain political control. What would Jesus say about that?
I didn't mean to disrespect you. It's just not all of us pray and to offer that means nothing to me. I grew up Catholic..and we all know how that has gone. 🙄
I am offended that you think religion should enter into this topic. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Period. The shooter at Sandy Hook was wrong, as is Alex Jones, in every sense. It is wrong that he is allowed to continue to spew lies, and that he has yet to pay one penny of the judgement. If you were a parent of one of the deceased children, would you allow forgiveness based on your religious stance? I suppose you have put in your order for one or more of Trump's blasphemous bibles!
Can’t “like” this, so I’ll just say thanks for the sobering reminder. We must not let evil acts pass without protest.
“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.” - Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
Putin has done this forever. During the holocaust, the lies comforted the Jews right up to the point where they were faded. Many lie about that historical time period too saying it never happened. I can’t imagine losing a child, let alone like that and then spending years hearing how it didn’t happen while this horrible man continues to spew hate. I’m sorry but I blame our judicial system for this too. If someone can just file for bankruptcy and move on, something is VERY wrong with our system.But there is always karma and we all
Have to face ourselves when this life is complete. I truly believe that.
As some convicts are denied the right to vote or bear arms, cretin of this bend should be denied communicating with the general public in any form, at any time, by any means. Deny them the right to free speech.
I wondered if something creative like demanding that Jones have framed crime scene photos of each of the 20 dead children put in his home and place of business with periodic inspections to make sure they can be seen by him everyday.
The National Shooting Sports Foundation, NSSF, a gun “safety”/ gun rights group was headquartered in Newtown, CT home to Sandy Hook child massacre Alex Jones didn’t believe happened. Here is what they said in 2013: “Who among us has not been moved by that unspeakable tragedy that was inflicted by a deranged man upon the children of Newtown, Conn., our very home as the NSSF?"
They later moved their headquarters but said it was because they needed a better facility, not because the Newtown address was awkward.
Speaking of awkward, Elise Stefanik’s husband, Matthew Manda, works for NSSF as a communications guy. NSSF and other gun rights groups have lobbied against every major piece of legislation intended to make guns safer. The gun groups even supported a boycott against Connecticut based Smith & Wesson because S&W supported mandating gun locks to help prevent (among other things) accidental deaths of children who might find their parents gun and shoot themselves or a playmate with it.
And just this past week, a 6-year-old in Albany shot his 3-year-old brother after he found a handgun in his father's backpack. The child was shot in the shoulder and will recover. How does someone not have a trigger lock when they have smalll children in the home?
I’ve known at least 3 people who’ve lost a sibling to accident playing with guns. I don’t know how many more people I’ve known who experienced similar loss in a shooting where nobody died or were injured. It isn’t something that comes up in casual conversation.
I had a friend point a gun at me, at my face, when I was in maybe 10th grade. I told him to never point a gun at someone. He said “it’s not loaded” pointed it at my foot and shot me in the ankle. Luckily I had work boots on and it was a BB gun. It still hurt and I certainly could have lost an eye. I see him on FB sometimes defending gun rights.
it is incomprehensible that someone would lie for power...and that people believe lies if they are repeated enough...and how that is true about the "stolen election," about "fake news," about Jan. 6 as a peaceful protest, about the "increase in violent crime," about what is coming out by Maga and Stefanik that I get in my mail everyday. . Goebbels, the propagandist for Hitler says that if you repeat a lie enough it becomes "the truth," that you can make people believe a circle is a square, you can take people's aggression and direct it to a certain group.... How important it is to question...to look closely...to find out what is true......Thanks, Ken.....The pain of lies repeated again and again, when people know what is true and have suffered the reality...
"It's about how if you lie with enough charisma, and you're funny enough, and you're a big enough personality, and you come across as authentic even if you're not because you're trying to sell the product, that people don't want to believe that you're lying because you're entertaining them.”
It's about Donald Trump. It's about lying trash Elise Stefanik. It's about MAGA Republicanism. They lie and the democracy dies.
I have never heard this vivid description of the bodies piled in the bathroom. I gather that, for some reason, such descriptions are "too disturbing."
Don't look, you'll have nightmares.
And the gun lobby continues to convince many people that the Second Amendment guarantees this right to almost everybody, whether they are in a well-regulated militia or not. For profit!
There are so many issues - that people look away from so they dont "feel bad". If you dont look, it didnt happen? The continuous slaughter of children & adults from gun violence - or sadly, other forms of violence - the cruelty done by intolerance towards "others" - the abuse and cruelty of our factory farms - the slaughter of wildlife mainly because they are "in the way".
How wrong is it that there are so very many many MORE reasons "not to look"?
Maybe Alex Jones isnt the only human that needs to look and see - even if its easier not to.
As in far too many cases of people not suffering any consequences for their actions - why is that? Seems as though there are more of those instances too currently.
Clinton uttered the phrase in 1998 about defining what is is.
First time in my adult life I recall my ears ringing. Thinking, did this fool just pull that off?
Now we've endured the phrases alternative facts and fake news. Sadly these lies have been sustained by people not wanting to stir up feelings. Bull.. there lies call them lies.
“Lest we forget…” Thanks for the reminders, as hard as they are to hear/read. Your point is well taken that those who seem to talk and complain most about “fake news” are the very perpetrators of it. What is even more disturbing to me are the large numbers of those who believe the lies, accepting what is fake as fact.
Clemson basketball: Joe III attempted only five FGs. He is surely an unselfish, team player. Leads in assists. Personally, I would like to see him shoot more—to get into the groove.
To me, Sandy Hook was the worst. Not to trivialize all of the other mass shootings this country has endured, but there was just something about those little kids… before Christmas- a Christmas they never got to see. I had students who believed it was a hoax… and there was nothing I could do to convince them otherwise. I thought that after Sandy Hook, something drastic would happen to American gun laws… How foolish I was.
The injustice of the American justice system. Why has Alex Jones not only escaped accountability (he hasn't paid a dime!) but been able to keep broadcasting his lies? Why is Steve Bannon's appeal taking so long, allowing him to keep broadcasting his lies? Why can Trump get break after break, allowing him to keep grifting and lying.
I'm disheartened that powerful white Republicans seem to break laws with impunity.
And the gun violence goes on, fueled by cash from the NRA and gun manufacturers, others seemingly beyond accountability.
The problem with conspiracy theories is that many of them are plausible. Our government has done some shady things over the years - much in secret that is now public knowledge. and whose veracity is not disputed. CIA backed coups, for example, or FBI infiltration of left of center groups. You throw this at people who do not have the critical thinking skills to understand that just because something is plausible doesn't necessarily make it true. It is aided by an industry of people like Alex Jones who surely know better but make lots of money suckering these low critical thinking folks.
I find things like this so deeply disturbing. Last night I was listening to the White Supremist, anti-Semite, right-wing podcast influencer Nick Fuentes talking about going back to the year 1099, to the time when women were burned at the stake, which kept them in line. He spoke of all the problems women are causing and then actually said we should start burning women again----all with a smile, which helps you know he's really a "good guy". If you suspect I am exaggerating, I don't blame you. You'll find it about 2:12 minutes into this: https://twitter.com/adammocklerr/status/1775639492872884231
Some things are unforgivable. If you had a child murdered at Sandy Hook maybe you would understand that. Maybe not.
Lent does not lend itself to a forgiveness/atonement scenario unless the perpetrator expresses remorse. This sadistic monster gets paid to NOT be remorseful!
For you to suggest it’s on the Sandy Hook families to “forgive” is a pseudo-Christian platitude which further abuses survivors who should not be asked/tasked with doing God’s work…at Jones’ ultimate judgement time.
Lol thoughts and prayers.
There is one scene in the documentary where Jones is forced to admit he might have been wrong. After court, he marched outside to the TV cameras and spread the same lies again.
Just FYI, this Simply Put character is a bearer of false witness who does not repent the sin. Any performative act of Christianity by them rings hollow.
Look, I’m an atheist and your prayers are just a lot of wasted breath on me, but wouldn’t it be great if a lot more Christians tried to be more like Jesus?
That would be a serious problem for MAGA, so I’m not counting on it.
Which post is that? The one about how you misrepresented fact and I caught you at it? That is neither hateful nor disrespectful. That is fact.
If you apologize for saying I was wrong when it was you who did not respect me enough to tell the truth I am happy to accept an apology.
“Fail miserably.”
Yes. Millions of Christians have failed miserably. Many of the richest, most famous and most powerful Christians have determined to wield the power of government, to limit the rights of others who feel no animus toward Christians but simply do not wish for them to assert their belief systems as a means of control.
Fundamentalist Christian leaders embraced Donald Trump as a means to gain political control. What would Jesus say about that?
👏👏👏
I don't want your prayers. I'm an atheist.
Have a nice day.
I didn't mean to disrespect you. It's just not all of us pray and to offer that means nothing to me. I grew up Catholic..and we all know how that has gone. 🙄
It is a very difficult documentary to watch. It left me feeling extremely angry.
Wish I. Could get to see it. His rhetoric needs to be exposed.
I am offended that you think religion should enter into this topic. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Period. The shooter at Sandy Hook was wrong, as is Alex Jones, in every sense. It is wrong that he is allowed to continue to spew lies, and that he has yet to pay one penny of the judgement. If you were a parent of one of the deceased children, would you allow forgiveness based on your religious stance? I suppose you have put in your order for one or more of Trump's blasphemous bibles!
Can’t “like” this, so I’ll just say thanks for the sobering reminder. We must not let evil acts pass without protest.
“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.” - Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
Putin has done this forever. During the holocaust, the lies comforted the Jews right up to the point where they were faded. Many lie about that historical time period too saying it never happened. I can’t imagine losing a child, let alone like that and then spending years hearing how it didn’t happen while this horrible man continues to spew hate. I’m sorry but I blame our judicial system for this too. If someone can just file for bankruptcy and move on, something is VERY wrong with our system.But there is always karma and we all
Have to face ourselves when this life is complete. I truly believe that.
The judgement still stands and the families still might get something, but those negotiations are continuing.
I hope so. They were basically emotionally tortured.
As some convicts are denied the right to vote or bear arms, cretin of this bend should be denied communicating with the general public in any form, at any time, by any means. Deny them the right to free speech.
Now that's an idea I think makes sense.
You know, you can't shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater, if there's no fire.
Legally, apparently, this is a tricky subject. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater
I wondered if something creative like demanding that Jones have framed crime scene photos of each of the 20 dead children put in his home and place of business with periodic inspections to make sure they can be seen by him everyday.
You said it. - absolutely!
The National Shooting Sports Foundation, NSSF, a gun “safety”/ gun rights group was headquartered in Newtown, CT home to Sandy Hook child massacre Alex Jones didn’t believe happened. Here is what they said in 2013: “Who among us has not been moved by that unspeakable tragedy that was inflicted by a deranged man upon the children of Newtown, Conn., our very home as the NSSF?"
They later moved their headquarters but said it was because they needed a better facility, not because the Newtown address was awkward.
Speaking of awkward, Elise Stefanik’s husband, Matthew Manda, works for NSSF as a communications guy. NSSF and other gun rights groups have lobbied against every major piece of legislation intended to make guns safer. The gun groups even supported a boycott against Connecticut based Smith & Wesson because S&W supported mandating gun locks to help prevent (among other things) accidental deaths of children who might find their parents gun and shoot themselves or a playmate with it.
(Shameless plug: I wrote a little about it. https://mikeparwana.substack.com/p/mr-elise )
And just this past week, a 6-year-old in Albany shot his 3-year-old brother after he found a handgun in his father's backpack. The child was shot in the shoulder and will recover. How does someone not have a trigger lock when they have smalll children in the home?
I’ve known at least 3 people who’ve lost a sibling to accident playing with guns. I don’t know how many more people I’ve known who experienced similar loss in a shooting where nobody died or were injured. It isn’t something that comes up in casual conversation.
I had a friend point a gun at me, at my face, when I was in maybe 10th grade. I told him to never point a gun at someone. He said “it’s not loaded” pointed it at my foot and shot me in the ankle. Luckily I had work boots on and it was a BB gun. It still hurt and I certainly could have lost an eye. I see him on FB sometimes defending gun rights.
it is incomprehensible that someone would lie for power...and that people believe lies if they are repeated enough...and how that is true about the "stolen election," about "fake news," about Jan. 6 as a peaceful protest, about the "increase in violent crime," about what is coming out by Maga and Stefanik that I get in my mail everyday. . Goebbels, the propagandist for Hitler says that if you repeat a lie enough it becomes "the truth," that you can make people believe a circle is a square, you can take people's aggression and direct it to a certain group.... How important it is to question...to look closely...to find out what is true......Thanks, Ken.....The pain of lies repeated again and again, when people know what is true and have suffered the reality...
Another great piece by you Bernice!
"It's about how if you lie with enough charisma, and you're funny enough, and you're a big enough personality, and you come across as authentic even if you're not because you're trying to sell the product, that people don't want to believe that you're lying because you're entertaining them.”
It's about Donald Trump. It's about lying trash Elise Stefanik. It's about MAGA Republicanism. They lie and the democracy dies.
There are so many politicians out there now who fit the bill for this. I made the same connection.
I have never heard this vivid description of the bodies piled in the bathroom. I gather that, for some reason, such descriptions are "too disturbing."
Don't look, you'll have nightmares.
And the gun lobby continues to convince many people that the Second Amendment guarantees this right to almost everybody, whether they are in a well-regulated militia or not. For profit!
The officer's first reaction was how did the shooter have the time to pile the bodies so neatly. That's chilling.
There are so many issues - that people look away from so they dont "feel bad". If you dont look, it didnt happen? The continuous slaughter of children & adults from gun violence - or sadly, other forms of violence - the cruelty done by intolerance towards "others" - the abuse and cruelty of our factory farms - the slaughter of wildlife mainly because they are "in the way".
How wrong is it that there are so very many many MORE reasons "not to look"?
Maybe Alex Jones isnt the only human that needs to look and see - even if its easier not to.
As in far too many cases of people not suffering any consequences for their actions - why is that? Seems as though there are more of those instances too currently.
You said it! Absolutely!
Clinton uttered the phrase in 1998 about defining what is is.
First time in my adult life I recall my ears ringing. Thinking, did this fool just pull that off?
Now we've endured the phrases alternative facts and fake news. Sadly these lies have been sustained by people not wanting to stir up feelings. Bull.. there lies call them lies.
“Lest we forget…” Thanks for the reminders, as hard as they are to hear/read. Your point is well taken that those who seem to talk and complain most about “fake news” are the very perpetrators of it. What is even more disturbing to me are the large numbers of those who believe the lies, accepting what is fake as fact.
Clemson basketball: Joe III attempted only five FGs. He is surely an unselfish, team player. Leads in assists. Personally, I would like to see him shoot more—to get into the groove.
They pay a lot of attention to him. Tough to get a shot.
That too.
We need to counteract the Alex Jones in our social media everyday. We can't "let them slide".
I totally agree!
It’s absolutely horrific that he’s still on the air. May I remember his name.
To me, Sandy Hook was the worst. Not to trivialize all of the other mass shootings this country has endured, but there was just something about those little kids… before Christmas- a Christmas they never got to see. I had students who believed it was a hoax… and there was nothing I could do to convince them otherwise. I thought that after Sandy Hook, something drastic would happen to American gun laws… How foolish I was.
The injustice of the American justice system. Why has Alex Jones not only escaped accountability (he hasn't paid a dime!) but been able to keep broadcasting his lies? Why is Steve Bannon's appeal taking so long, allowing him to keep broadcasting his lies? Why can Trump get break after break, allowing him to keep grifting and lying.
I'm disheartened that powerful white Republicans seem to break laws with impunity.
And the gun violence goes on, fueled by cash from the NRA and gun manufacturers, others seemingly beyond accountability.
The problem with conspiracy theories is that many of them are plausible. Our government has done some shady things over the years - much in secret that is now public knowledge. and whose veracity is not disputed. CIA backed coups, for example, or FBI infiltration of left of center groups. You throw this at people who do not have the critical thinking skills to understand that just because something is plausible doesn't necessarily make it true. It is aided by an industry of people like Alex Jones who surely know better but make lots of money suckering these low critical thinking folks.
I find things like this so deeply disturbing. Last night I was listening to the White Supremist, anti-Semite, right-wing podcast influencer Nick Fuentes talking about going back to the year 1099, to the time when women were burned at the stake, which kept them in line. He spoke of all the problems women are causing and then actually said we should start burning women again----all with a smile, which helps you know he's really a "good guy". If you suspect I am exaggerating, I don't blame you. You'll find it about 2:12 minutes into this: https://twitter.com/adammocklerr/status/1775639492872884231