I think, in this discussion, there is something missing.
- types of journalism
You use Mr.Flynn as an example.. he is part of the kinds of journalism. He is a great guy, a decent editor... but I am not sure if you would say he is cutting-edge.
I dare say, like most reporters in the north country, he has few sources.
He is no different than Brian Mann and others who have some talent.
I have yet to see the current batch of (so called leaders) show the way to investigative reporting. There was a young woman -Lauren Rosethall - who could work a story and find a way to publish what is going on. I think she knew how to work one source against another... and hold the liars accountable.
One of the categories that is missing is the ability (but also the desire) to set the record straight.. to grab a bone and gnaw at it until you know everything about it, the good and the bad. Using that knowledge to be fair, but also to find the marrow of the story.
I would add to this the ability to get inside and then reveal not just truth, but emotion. Mr. Tingley, that is/was your specialty... but that didn't make you an investigative reporter... but reporters are people and they don't do all things well.
In the end this is why so many north country reporters become public relations employees for colleges or sports governing bodies, because they never opened up the can of worms at those entities and were at best helping spread the propaganda.
A perfect example is Pete DeMola, when he left his shopper paper to work at a larger paper, he was bad at the shopper, he was bad at the larger paper, now he works at a pr firm.
A very good sign you are a bad reporter, when you are covering pos_tefankkk and when you leave that job, she compliments you and tells you, you were a great reporter (as was the case with ‘da mole’). When one of the most despicable politicians thinks you are good. . .
I don't know the specifics of a Anderson Cooper (for example) started his career at a low level, in spite of his wealth.... but on the other hand Ronan Farrow did not start at the Watertown Daily Times (though that paper is likely too republican for his liking).
I should mention that Aaron Marbone (formerly know as Aaron Cerebone) was an extremely good reporter for the adk Enterprise
I think he moved on and I am quite sure pos_tefanik didn't publicly say - 'we will miss you'
I agree re:pay. One thing that could be interesting is doubling down on the nonprofit model. I think many journalists have a vocation and they receive the same below market pay (relative to their skill set) most of us in the nonprofit world live with. But they don't always get the same recognition that they are serving society and the common good. For nonprofits, it's like Hymen Roth said, "this is the business we've chosen". We live with the wages but have the validation that what we are doing is good and important and at least some of the public recognizes our service. While it doesn't replace a pay increase, having a more visible nonprofit journalism sector might give its workers more validation and support. (And create a pipeline of young people interested in exploring the field, like Americorps and Teach for America does).
Concerning the Queensbury School District capital project, and the comments “I never voted on that” and the implication that people did not know about voting on the project, I would take issue.
As residents of the school district, we recently received in the mail from the school board and administration a piece outlining in detail the scope of the project and the financing thereof.
I do believe that I am safe to assume that we were not the only household in the district singled out to receive this mailing. I would also like to think The Post Star and The Chronicle will have articles on the project in coming weeks.
I would venture to say that “not knowing” is not the problem. Apathy is. Apathy is not caring. As I have oft said in many contexts, “Apathy is our biggest problem, but who cares?”
The project itself, to me, seems reasonable and necessary and feasible. Facilities age. Times change. Safety and security are essential. Educational programs expand, I.e. STEM, or as l prefer, STEAM an A added for arts and athletics.
Yes, the price tag sounds high, to be sure, yet in line for the times in which we live. As a retiree, I am mindful that many years ago a community paid for my education. Later, communities paid for my children and grandchildren’s education. Today, I can accept the responsibility to help pay for the education of other people’s children.
(Full disclosure: I write as a former school board president in another time and place).
While the district sent out a mailing to all the residents... I guess all the reporters don't live in the district to see the mailing (ha)
As far as being 'unexpected' I think when you mail everyone information, even it if was on December 25th, it no longer is a surprise...
All that said, I think about how much schools spend on presenting information about upcoming votes (even the ones in December) and the cost that such endeavors incur ..
I find it amazing that the outrage isn't more directed at the various votes (and actions) by politicians that hide things (like the last two abortion votes in Ohio) more reprehensible.
Add to this with school votes, there are always public (and publicly announced) hearings.
For example: Take a moment and look at the last time pos_tefanik was in town, was that announced
My guess is that the school will hold an art fair or science project at the elementary school on the day of the vote as well to ensure parents are conveniently around to vote. Nothing wrong with this, and maybe this is just voter apathy but I suspect less than 10 percent will vote on this capital project.
I have been in many situations where someone will say: "Fix this."
and I will say, "There is a meeting this Thursday to discuss it, you should go and express your concern."
response almost always --- "you do it for me."
Be it a school budget or a canoe race, if you have an issue about it, you should not expect others to be your factotum
I guess you could call it laziness, but it is some kind of emperor complex where one believes what they believe is right, but they are too important to attend to it.
know who won't be at the concert or art fair --- pos_tefanik (or her supporters)
the woman post all the stories about state champions, but doesn't go to school functions.
This isn't just to pick on pos_tefanikkk but most republicans are clueless about schools
I always love seeing a new republican school board member showing up for his/her first meeting.. usually =>
first thing - 'when do we vote on teachers' salaries' Answer: it was in the budget we voted on, the same time you were elected
second thing - ' what are all these committees, I only want to vote on teacher salaries??!?!'
I am not much better right now, but for someone to run for the school board and not realize he voted on a budget that contains the sole issue s/he is interested in is impressive
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that said, what other governing body, from library board to us congress puts out as much information as schools?
to add, the vote in December or in May... will not have a high percentage turnout at either time.
I also suspect if we (you and I) knew all about this, we might find out the reason the vote is in December is so bids can go out before the construction season starts.. or some reason related to getting the job done.
So Rep. Stefanik did the right thing by voting for the continuing resolution. She'll have another opportunity to do the right thing soon: expelling Rep. George Santos. It will presumably be a tough vote for her. She has stood by former President Trump's mountain of lies without exception. We should all be watching closely.
I've been posting internships at colleges that have a robust coop model (Drexel in Philly for example) and have had some luck. They work full time for six months at whatever pay rate you set). They would need to find housing, too, but it is a potential talent pool. Someone might want to come live six months in the beautiful Adirondacks...
Hey, Ken. Your comments on the proposed bus purchase have been niggling at me for a few days. I think you could have done better. Yes the community will have to cough up $10mm for the buses. But if a statewide program exists to replace aging buses, wouldn’t it be the height of irresponsibility to not access those funds? Did you look into the ages and conditions of the buses to be replaced? Are students exposed to dangers in those old buses? If the buses are not replaced now, what would be the additional costs of delaying the purchase? For the most part, school boards are populated by sincere thoughtful citizens. I have no doubt they presented this proposal after having carefully examined the alternatives. I was sad to see you take even a slight swipe at them.
I wasn’t weighing in one way or another, but what got my attention was that this new $39 million in investment - I believe there are also extensive renovations to the elementary school - comes on the heels of another $30 million five or so years ago. $70 million seems like a lot in a decade. But I am no expert.
How to I get MaryLou Stern's email directly to you?
Send to tingleykenneth4@gmail.com
I think, in this discussion, there is something missing.
- types of journalism
You use Mr.Flynn as an example.. he is part of the kinds of journalism. He is a great guy, a decent editor... but I am not sure if you would say he is cutting-edge.
I dare say, like most reporters in the north country, he has few sources.
He is no different than Brian Mann and others who have some talent.
I have yet to see the current batch of (so called leaders) show the way to investigative reporting. There was a young woman -Lauren Rosethall - who could work a story and find a way to publish what is going on. I think she knew how to work one source against another... and hold the liars accountable.
One of the categories that is missing is the ability (but also the desire) to set the record straight.. to grab a bone and gnaw at it until you know everything about it, the good and the bad. Using that knowledge to be fair, but also to find the marrow of the story.
I would add to this the ability to get inside and then reveal not just truth, but emotion. Mr. Tingley, that is/was your specialty... but that didn't make you an investigative reporter... but reporters are people and they don't do all things well.
In the end this is why so many north country reporters become public relations employees for colleges or sports governing bodies, because they never opened up the can of worms at those entities and were at best helping spread the propaganda.
A perfect example is Pete DeMola, when he left his shopper paper to work at a larger paper, he was bad at the shopper, he was bad at the larger paper, now he works at a pr firm.
A very good sign you are a bad reporter, when you are covering pos_tefankkk and when you leave that job, she compliments you and tells you, you were a great reporter (as was the case with ‘da mole’). When one of the most despicable politicians thinks you are good. . .
. . . You are not
Pay is an issue as well.
Pay.. yes and no
I don't know the specifics of a Anderson Cooper (for example) started his career at a low level, in spite of his wealth.... but on the other hand Ronan Farrow did not start at the Watertown Daily Times (though that paper is likely too republican for his liking).
I should mention that Aaron Marbone (formerly know as Aaron Cerebone) was an extremely good reporter for the adk Enterprise
I think he moved on and I am quite sure pos_tefanik didn't publicly say - 'we will miss you'
I agree re:pay. One thing that could be interesting is doubling down on the nonprofit model. I think many journalists have a vocation and they receive the same below market pay (relative to their skill set) most of us in the nonprofit world live with. But they don't always get the same recognition that they are serving society and the common good. For nonprofits, it's like Hymen Roth said, "this is the business we've chosen". We live with the wages but have the validation that what we are doing is good and important and at least some of the public recognizes our service. While it doesn't replace a pay increase, having a more visible nonprofit journalism sector might give its workers more validation and support. (And create a pipeline of young people interested in exploring the field, like Americorps and Teach for America does).
Another great article! Lets hear it for anything that encourages the profession of journalism
Please mention where to vote on the appalling school budget on December 12.
Elementary school.
Concerning the Queensbury School District capital project, and the comments “I never voted on that” and the implication that people did not know about voting on the project, I would take issue.
As residents of the school district, we recently received in the mail from the school board and administration a piece outlining in detail the scope of the project and the financing thereof.
I do believe that I am safe to assume that we were not the only household in the district singled out to receive this mailing. I would also like to think The Post Star and The Chronicle will have articles on the project in coming weeks.
I would venture to say that “not knowing” is not the problem. Apathy is. Apathy is not caring. As I have oft said in many contexts, “Apathy is our biggest problem, but who cares?”
The project itself, to me, seems reasonable and necessary and feasible. Facilities age. Times change. Safety and security are essential. Educational programs expand, I.e. STEM, or as l prefer, STEAM an A added for arts and athletics.
Yes, the price tag sounds high, to be sure, yet in line for the times in which we live. As a retiree, I am mindful that many years ago a community paid for my education. Later, communities paid for my children and grandchildren’s education. Today, I can accept the responsibility to help pay for the education of other people’s children.
(Full disclosure: I write as a former school board president in another time and place).
I think having a vote in December is unexpected.
This points out an interesting nuance...
While the district sent out a mailing to all the residents... I guess all the reporters don't live in the district to see the mailing (ha)
As far as being 'unexpected' I think when you mail everyone information, even it if was on December 25th, it no longer is a surprise...
All that said, I think about how much schools spend on presenting information about upcoming votes (even the ones in December) and the cost that such endeavors incur ..
I find it amazing that the outrage isn't more directed at the various votes (and actions) by politicians that hide things (like the last two abortion votes in Ohio) more reprehensible.
Add to this with school votes, there are always public (and publicly announced) hearings.
For example: Take a moment and look at the last time pos_tefanik was in town, was that announced
My guess is that the school will hold an art fair or science project at the elementary school on the day of the vote as well to ensure parents are conveniently around to vote. Nothing wrong with this, and maybe this is just voter apathy but I suspect less than 10 percent will vote on this capital project.
Is not only a 10 % turnout a dramatic sign of apathy?
yes, but it is something else.
I have been in many situations where someone will say: "Fix this."
and I will say, "There is a meeting this Thursday to discuss it, you should go and express your concern."
response almost always --- "you do it for me."
Be it a school budget or a canoe race, if you have an issue about it, you should not expect others to be your factotum
I guess you could call it laziness, but it is some kind of emperor complex where one believes what they believe is right, but they are too important to attend to it.
absolutely.
know who won't be at the concert or art fair --- pos_tefanik (or her supporters)
the woman post all the stories about state champions, but doesn't go to school functions.
This isn't just to pick on pos_tefanikkk but most republicans are clueless about schools
I always love seeing a new republican school board member showing up for his/her first meeting.. usually =>
first thing - 'when do we vote on teachers' salaries' Answer: it was in the budget we voted on, the same time you were elected
second thing - ' what are all these committees, I only want to vote on teacher salaries??!?!'
I am not much better right now, but for someone to run for the school board and not realize he voted on a budget that contains the sole issue s/he is interested in is impressive
===
that said, what other governing body, from library board to us congress puts out as much information as schools?
to add, the vote in December or in May... will not have a high percentage turnout at either time.
I also suspect if we (you and I) knew all about this, we might find out the reason the vote is in December is so bids can go out before the construction season starts.. or some reason related to getting the job done.
https://www.queensburyschool.org/capital-project-2023/ on the website
So Rep. Stefanik did the right thing by voting for the continuing resolution. She'll have another opportunity to do the right thing soon: expelling Rep. George Santos. It will presumably be a tough vote for her. She has stood by former President Trump's mountain of lies without exception. We should all be watching closely.
I've been posting internships at colleges that have a robust coop model (Drexel in Philly for example) and have had some luck. They work full time for six months at whatever pay rate you set). They would need to find housing, too, but it is a potential talent pool. Someone might want to come live six months in the beautiful Adirondacks...
Hey, Ken. Your comments on the proposed bus purchase have been niggling at me for a few days. I think you could have done better. Yes the community will have to cough up $10mm for the buses. But if a statewide program exists to replace aging buses, wouldn’t it be the height of irresponsibility to not access those funds? Did you look into the ages and conditions of the buses to be replaced? Are students exposed to dangers in those old buses? If the buses are not replaced now, what would be the additional costs of delaying the purchase? For the most part, school boards are populated by sincere thoughtful citizens. I have no doubt they presented this proposal after having carefully examined the alternatives. I was sad to see you take even a slight swipe at them.
I wasn’t weighing in one way or another, but what got my attention was that this new $39 million in investment - I believe there are also extensive renovations to the elementary school - comes on the heels of another $30 million five or so years ago. $70 million seems like a lot in a decade. But I am no expert.