characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder: hospitalization for schizophrenia and delusional paranoia | he was diagnosed with a delusional disorder.
• based on or having faulty judgment; mistaken: their delusional belief in the project's merits never wavers | I think the guy is being a bit delusional here.
characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder: hospitalization for schizophrenia and delusional paranoia | he was diagnosed with a delusional disorder.
• based on or having faulty judgment; mistaken: their delusional belief in the project's merits never wavers | I think the guy is being a bit delusional here.
Your last sentence is so true! No single candidate will ever be perfect. We all judge for ourselves whether the preponderance of what they say and do is well enough aligned with our values to accept the parts that aren’t. But in order to make that judgement we need accurate information. Not easy to come by on cable news or the internet. But it is possible. I check many sources of news. I drop in on both Fox and MSNBC to see the slanted view, I read AP for the facts, and as boring as I find the endless financial minutiae on CNBC, the news is straight up factual. Business people don’t want slant. They need to know what is actually going on to make their business decisions.
Yes, that’s right, he revealed a lot about the immorality of the Stefanik campaign. He recorded a casual meeting of young Democrats discussing issues and when he was asked by other teenagers - not adults - if he was recording them he lied. Stefanik lied about him saying that he wasn’t associated with her campaign but NCPR news team found records of her campaign paying him. She was caught in a bald faced lie. The Post Star urged her to take a pledge not to lie - she wouldn’t do it! So, yes, he revealed Stefanik as the liar and cheat that she is.
Carl, I stipulate that Cobb was not a disciplined candidate in her messaging. I think that subverting the truth is a harsh characterization of the actual words you seem to have a very deep focus on. I forgive Tedra some of her flaws as a politician because she was never a debate coach for a presidential level candidate. She was not subsidized $240,000 by Karl Rove to run a primary against a local candidate. She was a mom from Canton area who had been a county legislator, a Pyrites town volunteer fireman, a local business person. Tedra didn’t go to Harvard. Her parents didn’t own a camp in Willsboro.
I worked very closely with the Cobb campaign. I found her to be a decent honest person. Decent honest people can fall prey to deceitful people who pay spy’s and then lie about it.
I think you are holding Tedra and Stefanik to far different standards.
• what Tedra said: "I would never say that publicly" Now I am not sure how open you are about admitting to lies or slanting the truth to make you feel good, but would you admit it publicly?
• Not only did the 17-year-old spy, he spied on minors and he lied to do that several times. You could off as a republican, so I am sure you are okay with groomers and exploiting teens.. As a democrat, I kind of find it reprehensible
• what kind of lies are you okay for #pos_tefanik to do to trick your children? and for what ends.. would you want your children to be exploited?
• Surely you are okay with this lie and the other lies like calling Tedra 'taxing Tedra' even after it was proven that wasn't true
actually you did admit publicly to lying with this post, whoops,I didn't need to do the first bullet point
btw, Ms. Cobb did not vote to spend $5,050,570,510,000
Yes, downplaying your position on gun control and being complicit in effectuating a coup that would end democracy, or the republic if you prefer, in this country are equivalent.
Elise Stefanik still refuses to say the election in 2020 was free and fair. She has sold out any moral, patriotic principles she ever had in service of a wannabe dictator. She may have no shame, but many of us can clearly see how shameful she is.
If you want to play whatabout games because of Tedra Cobb, go for it. No one here is impressed. Most of us likely remember the nasty, Trump style nickname she used for Cobb based on lies about Cobb’s legislative record.
It’s sad that you can’t espouse a position on gun control that most upstaters actually agree with, and win political office. More Republican demonization and distraction.
thanks for ignoring the spying on minors. So if you have kids you would gladly let #pos_tefanik spy on your children
thanks for supporting the lies of #pos_tefanik
Thanks for supporting
You are right about the exact quote. and the fact that she was consoling children who go to school in fear. That is you took the quotes out of context.
you even quoted how she was consoling children that leaves in fear
I don't think anything that she said was wrong, I have no problem with having personal opinions and have it different than what she would do.
Would you still vote for #pos_tefanik if she had a couple abortions and I secretly recording her baby arbbitron telling me this? would you be okay with that
as a repubilcan you not only failed to provide all the information, you failed to provide the context, you failed to be honest. You will continue to fail but suggesting the Post Star CHOSE to keep the story a low profile.
Google your quote and note how all the newspapers, TV and radio stations ran that story. I am not sure what you think a low profile.
#pos_tefanik
• has secret meetings with republicans (go look she just had one on her facebook page)
• secret meetings with lobbyists
• secret meetings with hmpy trmpy
• secret meetings with her superpac contributors (psss that is illegal)
• secret committee meetings with house committees and uses that info she gleans for insider trading.
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Knowing that and knowing you thought what Tedra did in a private meeting that was secretly recorded by a lying teenager --- well they you must think #pos_tefanikkk is satan
Not true, It was reported exactly that way. You can make the argument she was being totally honest. She could not be elected if she said she supported a ban on assault rifles. Its not like that was going to come up for a vote if she won.
You are correct, and thank you for pointing that out! The lie would be if someone asked her in public, do you support banning assault weapons and she said no, and then in private said yes, I actually do. As I remember it, she rather adroitly avoided being pinned down in public.
Frankly, the general public has no bandwidth to hear the nuance of what candidates believe. They do not want that. They say they do, but most people are too busy, or say they are. Stefanik understands that and gives them the sound bite they want.
Just one example. I could focus on the the middle-aged Stefanik and Trump supporter who threatened the newspaper and one of our reporters. The response from the Stefanik camp was to thank the man and invite him as their guest to a town hall in Kingsbury.
The Conservative movement was once considered fringe, akin the the Greens, before it went “mainstream.” Now it’s merely unhinged. It would be farcical if it wasn’t so deadly serious.
I often hear about extreme left wing Democrats and when I ask who they are talking about it's usually AOC. When I ask which policy of her's bothers you, blank stare or a mention of The Green New Deal. To which I ask, oh, dos you've read it? No, but it's extreme.
What CO2 is doing to the planet and climate is extreme, as is doing nothing to mitigate the problem. What is it that you find extreme? We have no time to waste in fixing the climate crisis
Carbon capture , if anyone can get it to work is akin to clean coal, an industry ploy to forestall actually doing anything. I hope someone can get it to work on the scale nessary, we'll see. China and India not withstanding, the Green New Deal does nothing to reduce our standard of living. Not doing anything, regardless of other nations, has cost trillions already. Where do you think the money to rebuild comes from? My homeowners insurance has become a burden, where it was once annoying but affordable. When I asked my agent why, she said "Climate change and the price of construction" Air travel has become a crap shoot anytime there is a major event, and it seems folks have finally dropped the 100 year event nonsense. It rains in inches now, and I am old enough to remember when measuring in inches was only for snow. Yes we are tilting at windmills, but proposals like The Green New Deal that seek to address the massive inertia of the way we are now doing everyday things are met with outright disdain. And one of our two political parties wants to undo the mega advances for no other reason than to piss off the other side. Our standard of living? Please, we actually live better that people at anytime in history, and we still want more and more. As far as dependance goes, five or six players in the OPEC world can shut off the oils spigot and raise the prices of fuel on a whim, and the USA suppliers are grinning all the way to the bank. Thanks for writing Carl, but I don't see the carbon capture as promising on the scale required, and like fission, it's 5 years away, and always will be...
I do get tired of that argument that we should not do anything because India and China are not on board. The U.S. are leaders. If we set an example, the rest of the world will eventually follow.
your posts shows you don't know what that word means
and the use of 'realistic' as you misuse a word
is primo hypocrisy
prag·mat·ic | praɡˈmadik |
adjective
dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations: a pragmatic approach to politics.
• relating to philosophical or political pragmatism.
to the point where the person talking about left wing Democrats.. they defy logic.
Because if you asked them if they thought climate change existed... they would likely accept that at some level.
The problem: they would say 'it's not that bad' or 'something we can fix' because if they were honest and said it was a real problem, it would mean maybe they accept they should be doing something about it.
Much like someone who drinks.. they might concede they have a problem or it could be problematic, but to say they are an alcoholic would mean change and they don't want that
I thought it was a little extreme in some ways and way short in others
It is clear under the little that the democrats are doing (often limited by the republicans) that our planet is toast
but under the republicans that think putting carbon in the environment with ultra cheap gas cars and stoves is more important than any inconvenience they may have to endure-- the planet will be gone by the time their children hit retirement.
1) you use the straw man argument in assuming corporations are builiding alternatives to fossil fuels.. they are, but not on their own, but through government intervention and demand by customers.. btw -
straw man = rhetoric liars use
2) you totally ignore how cheaper gas just puts more carbon in the environment
•• and I am sure I have heard whine about the green new deal, or when people want to phase out stoves and gas cars.. it is a beautiful like if you are dealing with ignorant people
3) I drive a high mpg vehicle. I buy used vehciles, the next one I get will be a hybird and likely not use gas much.
4) in the winter keep my house at 60° --- yes you read that right. I try not to consume things I don't need to.
5) when I point out that people like #pos_tefanik are putting out policies that make climate change worse, you could try to prove that isn't true
actually you COULDN'T because you know you don't have a leg to stand on.
6) the fact that #pos_tefanik is promoting policies that make climage change worse shows
• she will never have solutions
• she is clueless
• and lying to a clueless base
Blaming the lack of solutions on someone who points out solutions, while also pointing out you support someone who makes it worse
Anyone who supports Trump and his supporters in Washington and around the country has no integrity. Defending dishonesty or not speaking out at all against the violence is ethically and morally wrong.
While I totally agree with your opinion of Trump and his enablers, I want to gently remind you not to fall into the same trap so many of his supporters have, demonizing anyone on the “other” side. Just last night I was out at a local brewery, and visited with a man who I consider a friend, who I know to be a kind and generous person who would never hesitate to help someone stuck on the side of the road, who gives back to his community in many ways. He was wearing a Trump 2020 t-shirt. We are friends; we know each other’s politics, but we just don’t discuss them much. I suppose he has his reasons for still supporting Trump, but he himself has integrity and is as honest as the day is long. I can’t explain it, and it makes me sad because I think he has been misled and manipulated, but I can still be his friend. And maybe by being mine, he can see that those who are anti Trump are not the radical, corrupt, Marxist America-haters Trump says we are. The more we entrench ourselves into opposing camps, the less chance we have of ever finding our way back to the middle ground where government can actually function.
I will ask you to read the comments of birkholz in this essay.
Who are the far-left democrats she speaks of (and by that she is referring to the media)? I say this as a far-left democrat, but she isn't talking about me.
I am jehus, I believe we feed the poor. I believe if you are seeking tyranny from your corrupt country (places like Guatemala, that are like they are because of US foreign policy).. I believe we should educate people, that includes history even if it means admitting we were (and sometimes now) a racist country.
I am jehus because I think we help the meek.
I am jehus and an atheist. Do you think your ‘I will help anyone, but wears a trump 2020 t-shirt friend’ wants America to accept asylum seekers? Does he want history taught in school if it means admitting white people owned slaves? Do you think he thinks people should be allowed to lie about an election or does he think they should be prosecuted?
Does he give back to the black community... the gay community.. ?
I don’t know, I don’t want to assume. I do know when I have talked to these folks they are either ignorant or naive. I remember a conversation with a staunch republican about Mitt Romney and how Romney had a different speech when he ran for president, depending on the color of the audience. He told me there was no way that was true.
This guy would do anything for his ‘community’ of upper-class white people.
I just went to a diversity meeting, and the discussion was about how accepting of people of color are the Adirondacks.
One obvious point was, 'do you get that a trump sign, hate, flag, etc is seen as a racist to people of color.'
I am sure your friend would say he isn't racist.. but what do the people of color around him think.
You missed my point. My friend is not perfect. I accept that as a Trump supporter he probably holds views on the topics you mention that are polar opposites to mine and yours. That is why in order to preserve the friendship I don’t confront him and demand he come around to my point of view. But I also see his good points, and he has many. My point again being: few people on Earth are all good or all evil. Most are somewhere in between. Seeing everyone on the “other” side as totally beyond the pale will not solve any of our problems.
Maybe see it as the political equivalent of love the sinner, hate the sin.
It is nice of you to think I missed your point. What I understood was you think your friend is a good person. I understand that. I understand you want to be friends with him because he had good points. My response was not a decree you should call your friend satan, I just suggesting he isn't the saint you want to believe he is because 'he gives to the community.' And maybe his 'giving to the community' doesn't give him get out of jail status for some sins.
I am sure, at some levels and situations, the guy is a great guy.
It is also clear you want to see him as a good guy. Nice of you.
But I will ask you, if you and Ted Bundy both volunteered at the animal shelter, you could say he gives to the community. However, when you found out he was a serial killer would you be upset, or would you just avoid that topic?
Not saying trump 2020 is a serial killer... but then who knows if he supports one or more insurrections.
Just to clarify who I am. If I was the kind of person who wore t-shirts, I might wear an Obama t-shirt.
But I would stop wearing it the moment he asked someone to overturn a legal election.
Of course if I found out my animal shelter pal Ted was a serial killer I would not only be upset, I would turn him in to the police! I don’t excuse or condone actual bad behavior. But if my friend at the animal shelter who isn’t a serial killer himself, who still does a good job at the shelter, was yet still friends with Ted, I would be sad. I would think he is making a mistake. And yes, I would probably avoid the topic rather than make an enemy. Friends who disagree can still talk. Enemies can only fight.
Where has demonizing people gotten us as a country? Right where we are now. Hating people because they don’t believe the same things you do cannot lead to a good result. Even if it is a fact that you are right and they are wrong.
what if your pal Ted was financing the serial killer, or in this case the insurrectionist..
Would I be wrong to think he was evil, that he was a danger to our society
What if I thought he was mentally incompetent since he couldn't grasp reality? would I be part of the hate, would I be someone who demonized a person.. I wouldn't neccesarily hate him, I would kind of hate the person taking advantage of the person and exploiting his inability to grasp reality.
Would it be bad of me to be right and dislike the person who is wrong and mentally short, not to mention hating the person who exploited him?
I see F*** Joe Biden bumper stickers all the time.. and if I see them children see them... I might actually think that person is evil..
Also, I might suggest to you, if that person is so uncivil and hateful that it wouldn't be much of a jump to expect him to be a racist and not just hate democrats but people of color.
So I think that way and will continue you think is creating hate
Yes, I did. I did get him to admit that Trump is a lousy human being. But he also believes the line of bs that he’s been fed by Fox, so he’s willing to overlook that because “Trump is tough on China” and “tax cuts.” Even if I think he’s wrong, he is entitled to his opinion. I don’t see him as hateful. He was as appalled as I was at Jan. 6th. He feels bad actors around Trump were to blame. So. Do I call my friend an idiot, lose the friendship, not change his mind anyway? Or do I keep talking about the things we do agree on and have in common? I just don’t see how cutting him off would be helpful.
I keep in mind there are people like the election professionals in Georgia, Arizona and other states that didn’t go along with helping the coup effort. Many Republicans also are now without a party because of the extremes of Trumpism.
Mike Parwana. Ask Ms Birkholz if she is refering to Mike Parwana who as chair of the Queensbury Democratic Committee asked Democrats not to seek the CON ballot line. Some of them refused. They made specious arguments that are provably wrong saying “you can’t win with just the DEM line.”
You will recall that John Strough was arrested for some form of petition fraud for carrying a CON party petition in his race against Rachel Seeber. He insisted he needed the line to win election. Not only was he arrested, but he lost the primary on the CON line to Seeber. In the general election Seeber held 5 ballot lines, Strough held only the DEM line but he won with about 58% of the vote.
In every other election for Supervisor Strough has run unopposed yet he insists he needs the CON line to win. But this is not about Strough, I’m only using him as an example.
This year the GF and Qby DEM committees enacted a rule barring endorsement of candidates who would also run on the line of other CONSTITUTED parties, parties with automatic ballot access. It was a rule intended to foster better politics and better government.
Birkholz urged voters to visit the CON party website to see what CONs are all about. I agree. Here’s the link: https://www.cpnys.org/
I have this quaint idea that being a member of a party should mean something, that parties stand for sets of ideas. I also believe in having a big tent, that we in a party do not have to agree on everything - but the CON party has some positions that are far outside the mainstream of DEM ideals, such as opposition the the Equal Rights Amendment, opposition to major necessary environmental action, xenophobic immigration policies, and much more.
When I talk to voters they often say, “both parties are the same,” and when a Democrat runs on the same party line as Donald Trump and Elise Stefanik it poisons the idea that some of us actually offer an alternative. If you are a voter in Queensbury this year you will see endorsed Democrats who are only running on the Democratic Party line: Robin Larkin, Harrison Freer, and myself. You will also see names on the Democratic line who were not endorsed. You will know them because they are also on the CON line, along with Travis Whitehead and James Dobkowski. Imagine that? John Strough and Travis Whitehead sharing a party line?
And that brings up the final point that I’ll address here: the CON party is usually not a real choice. It is rare for them to have candidates who are not registered Republicans or Democrats. This year is an exception in that there are 2 registered Conservatives on the ballot in Queensbury. I’m not sure but I think Dobkowski is endorsed by the CONs, but Whitehead is not. For a party that so rarely has its own candidates why is Whitehead not endorsed? (I have had some discussions with Mr Whitehead. He does not hold to many of the more heinous positions of the CON party, he’s focused on fiscal conservatism. And he has a strong record on that front. Sometimes he’s wrong, but he has found many financial irregularities in town and county business, has saved taxpayers $millions, and exposed some criminal activity)
How do you and I reconcile this (especially with the Birkholz's of the world)
You and I different on nuances, but generally our politics are similar. (I think you are 100% right in this post though)
I am sure you have been in this place/situation: A republican will say to you --> "All democrats believe X" and "X" could be 'open borders' or 'all white people should be persecuted because of slavery'
And you respond, no, that isn't true... and if they don't roll their eyes, they will say, "Many do." and you tell them.. I know lets of democrats and they don't.
But how does one reconcile the fact that republicans want to pretend a narrative that isn't true?
But I really believe, and have yet to see anyone disprove it, the republicans are about winning (at any means). The fact that a republican will say:
• there was no insurrection
• the election was stolen
• trump is being charged for things he didn't do
Isn't something I am making up, it is something I have seen them say and do. Just as the things you have pointed out.
I wonder what to do about these people that don't just have alternative facts. Their reality is what would have had people institutionalized for 30 years ago.
She told me to read social media postings that had been critical of the conservatives.
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Take that sentence and think about what it means. It means our dear friends the republicans, and in this case - - > conservative republicans are persecuted every day by the 'far-left'!
birkholz like just about every republican I have heard or seen quoted are persecuted by an invisible boogey man: The ‘far-left’!
Clearly birkholz couldn't name one. #pos_tefanik can't name one.
And when there isn't one, you can never name one. However, if you pretend there is one to people who are afraid and think the world is coming for them, they believe.
A couple months ago, I was having a conversation with these types of folks, they totally believed all the media was 'left-leaning'. Not the New York times, but the local shopper that have pro-republican / anti-Democrat editorials in them most weeks.
BUT
When I asked for examples, they didn't have one: But it EXISTS they maintained.
This is because people like birkohlz and #pos_tefanik present a narrative that isn’t true.
They lie.
This article proves it, when you can’t cite what you say is true, you are lying.
This is no different than the off-used lie: Democrats want open borders. This isn’t a case of a few want open borders, this is a case of they are lying. Saying it makes it real in the fearful and weak-minded.
But it is a lie.
And birholz, #pos_tefanik .... the gop depend on their supporters believing the lies because they have no policy. They have no solutions.
Lack of respect for the results of elections and the work of American courts, along with the DOJ and FBI, is so conservative. Maybe Carol Birkholz should write a letter on that.
But then, I suppose it would devolve into talk of “weaponization” and USBs being passed around like vials of cocaine and Hugo Chavez, Italian satellites and bamboo fibers in Chinese ballots. You know, mainstream thinking on the American right.
Maybe I should give Elise the benefit of the doubt. It may just be about the Benjamins and not about supporting Trump. I still get a chuckle out of the “Official Trump Defense Fund” where she’s taking 99% and giving 1% of it to defending him.
I think it’s a race against time. The political spin is aggravating and idiotic, but it seems the courts are actually doing their jobs. If Trump is convicted before the election, there may be some upheaval, perhaps even dangerous and violent acts, but it will eventually die down. Once he’s in jail, there is no one on the Republican side who has half his mesmerizing capacity. The ship should right itself. If he gets acquitted or, God forbid, elected, all bets are off. I believe we will slide into a dictatorship. Hang on to your hats, folks!
The handful of people on the Warren County Conservative Committee have done a great job convincing people that they are a lot more important than their numbers indicate. The Times-Union did a good piece on how they use this fallacy to heavily influence state Supreme Court judge elections.
They are not even a real party. They almost never run registered Conservatives. They just glom on to registered Republicans and a few registered Democrats, who should be ashamed to share a line with Trump and Stefanik.
you have a series posts here where you are talking to yourself
and even in that argument, you are losing
like the typical republican yo think if you say something it is true
and I am giving you way too much credit with the assumption you think
here is your problem
actually it is our problem
You like to write things that are not true
You say it like it is a hard fact and you have evidence
The fact you never provide evidence
a source
or even a general understanding of reality
shows you know you are wrong
Unless you mindlessly listen to the right wingos when they are entertaining without using facts.. then I guess we can blame the ignorance on hannity
but the foolishness on you for believing the lies
nope
looking at your posts
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FACTS
de·lu·sion·al | dəˈlo͞oZH(ə)nəl |
adjective
characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder: hospitalization for schizophrenia and delusional paranoia | he was diagnosed with a delusional disorder.
• based on or having faulty judgment; mistaken: their delusional belief in the project's merits never wavers | I think the guy is being a bit delusional here.
not in your mind
de·lu·sion·al | dəˈlo͞oZH(ə)nəl |
adjective
characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder: hospitalization for schizophrenia and delusional paranoia | he was diagnosed with a delusional disorder.
• based on or having faulty judgment; mistaken: their delusional belief in the project's merits never wavers | I think the guy is being a bit delusional here.
Your last sentence is so true! No single candidate will ever be perfect. We all judge for ourselves whether the preponderance of what they say and do is well enough aligned with our values to accept the parts that aren’t. But in order to make that judgement we need accurate information. Not easy to come by on cable news or the internet. But it is possible. I check many sources of news. I drop in on both Fox and MSNBC to see the slanted view, I read AP for the facts, and as boring as I find the endless financial minutiae on CNBC, the news is straight up factual. Business people don’t want slant. They need to know what is actually going on to make their business decisions.
I also highly recommend PBS Newshour each evening. You also get an hour of news and no commercials.
Tests is out of the picture. Please focus. Stefanik is our problem to deal with.
Tedra.
Yes, that’s right, he revealed a lot about the immorality of the Stefanik campaign. He recorded a casual meeting of young Democrats discussing issues and when he was asked by other teenagers - not adults - if he was recording them he lied. Stefanik lied about him saying that he wasn’t associated with her campaign but NCPR news team found records of her campaign paying him. She was caught in a bald faced lie. The Post Star urged her to take a pledge not to lie - she wouldn’t do it! So, yes, he revealed Stefanik as the liar and cheat that she is.
So, democrats need to be perfect, while Republican misdeeds should just be “expected”? You lost me.
not at all
is that code for you being wrong
Carl, I stipulate that Cobb was not a disciplined candidate in her messaging. I think that subverting the truth is a harsh characterization of the actual words you seem to have a very deep focus on. I forgive Tedra some of her flaws as a politician because she was never a debate coach for a presidential level candidate. She was not subsidized $240,000 by Karl Rove to run a primary against a local candidate. She was a mom from Canton area who had been a county legislator, a Pyrites town volunteer fireman, a local business person. Tedra didn’t go to Harvard. Her parents didn’t own a camp in Willsboro.
I worked very closely with the Cobb campaign. I found her to be a decent honest person. Decent honest people can fall prey to deceitful people who pay spy’s and then lie about it.
I think you are holding Tedra and Stefanik to far different standards.
• what Tedra said: "I would never say that publicly" Now I am not sure how open you are about admitting to lies or slanting the truth to make you feel good, but would you admit it publicly?
• Not only did the 17-year-old spy, he spied on minors and he lied to do that several times. You could off as a republican, so I am sure you are okay with groomers and exploiting teens.. As a democrat, I kind of find it reprehensible
• what kind of lies are you okay for #pos_tefanik to do to trick your children? and for what ends.. would you want your children to be exploited?
• Surely you are okay with this lie and the other lies like calling Tedra 'taxing Tedra' even after it was proven that wasn't true
actually you did admit publicly to lying with this post, whoops,I didn't need to do the first bullet point
btw, Ms. Cobb did not vote to spend $5,050,570,510,000
taxing pos_tefanik did
https://spendingtracker.org/rep/elise-stefanik?congress=all&type=enacted&include_voice=1&baseline=with_baseline&year=10
Yes, downplaying your position on gun control and being complicit in effectuating a coup that would end democracy, or the republic if you prefer, in this country are equivalent.
Elise Stefanik still refuses to say the election in 2020 was free and fair. She has sold out any moral, patriotic principles she ever had in service of a wannabe dictator. She may have no shame, but many of us can clearly see how shameful she is.
If you want to play whatabout games because of Tedra Cobb, go for it. No one here is impressed. Most of us likely remember the nasty, Trump style nickname she used for Cobb based on lies about Cobb’s legislative record.
Isn't it amazing the worse thing a person can do (according to carl tuck'ems) is NOT
Vote against price control on insulin
Vote against women's safe (Violence Against Women Act)
espouse replacement theory that lead to the Buffalo shooting
Vote to overturn a legal election
support a man who led a coup
support a family that grifted close to a billing dollars off the presidency
support a man who filled the whitehouse with nepotism and lobbyists
to hire minors to spy on children
No, to him the worse thing you can do is tell teens you support them and you agree school killings are bad
It’s sad that you can’t espouse a position on gun control that most upstaters actually agree with, and win political office. More Republican demonization and distraction.
thanks for ignoring the spying on minors. So if you have kids you would gladly let #pos_tefanik spy on your children
thanks for supporting the lies of #pos_tefanik
Thanks for supporting
You are right about the exact quote. and the fact that she was consoling children who go to school in fear. That is you took the quotes out of context.
https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/36723/20180730/ny21-stefanik-ally-teenager-secretly-filmed-cobb-assault-weapon-comment
you even quoted how she was consoling children that leaves in fear
I don't think anything that she said was wrong, I have no problem with having personal opinions and have it different than what she would do.
Would you still vote for #pos_tefanik if she had a couple abortions and I secretly recording her baby arbbitron telling me this? would you be okay with that
as a repubilcan you not only failed to provide all the information, you failed to provide the context, you failed to be honest. You will continue to fail but suggesting the Post Star CHOSE to keep the story a low profile.
Google your quote and note how all the newspapers, TV and radio stations ran that story. I am not sure what you think a low profile.
#pos_tefanik
• has secret meetings with republicans (go look she just had one on her facebook page)
• secret meetings with lobbyists
• secret meetings with hmpy trmpy
• secret meetings with her superpac contributors (psss that is illegal)
• secret committee meetings with house committees and uses that info she gleans for insider trading.
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Knowing that and knowing you thought what Tedra did in a private meeting that was secretly recorded by a lying teenager --- well they you must think #pos_tefanikkk is satan
what is your favorite thing about #pos_tefanik?
° her lies
° her secret meetings
° her racism
° her misogyny
??
Not true, It was reported exactly that way. You can make the argument she was being totally honest. She could not be elected if she said she supported a ban on assault rifles. Its not like that was going to come up for a vote if she won.
You are correct, and thank you for pointing that out! The lie would be if someone asked her in public, do you support banning assault weapons and she said no, and then in private said yes, I actually do. As I remember it, she rather adroitly avoided being pinned down in public.
I could be wrong. It was some time ago!!
Candidates should say what they believe, but that said most say what they need to get elected and Rep. Stefanik is high on that list.
Frankly, the general public has no bandwidth to hear the nuance of what candidates believe. They do not want that. They say they do, but most people are too busy, or say they are. Stefanik understands that and gives them the sound bite they want.
Just one example. I could focus on the the middle-aged Stefanik and Trump supporter who threatened the newspaper and one of our reporters. The response from the Stefanik camp was to thank the man and invite him as their guest to a town hall in Kingsbury.
The Conservative movement was once considered fringe, akin the the Greens, before it went “mainstream.” Now it’s merely unhinged. It would be farcical if it wasn’t so deadly serious.
I also noticed that, and wrote a letter to the editor about it. Hopefully it gets printed. I didn't mention her name.
Very nice letter. It’s on the PS site. Hopefully in the “print” edition tomorrow. 🤞
I often hear about extreme left wing Democrats and when I ask who they are talking about it's usually AOC. When I ask which policy of her's bothers you, blank stare or a mention of The Green New Deal. To which I ask, oh, dos you've read it? No, but it's extreme.
What CO2 is doing to the planet and climate is extreme, as is doing nothing to mitigate the problem. What is it that you find extreme? We have no time to waste in fixing the climate crisis
Carbon capture , if anyone can get it to work is akin to clean coal, an industry ploy to forestall actually doing anything. I hope someone can get it to work on the scale nessary, we'll see. China and India not withstanding, the Green New Deal does nothing to reduce our standard of living. Not doing anything, regardless of other nations, has cost trillions already. Where do you think the money to rebuild comes from? My homeowners insurance has become a burden, where it was once annoying but affordable. When I asked my agent why, she said "Climate change and the price of construction" Air travel has become a crap shoot anytime there is a major event, and it seems folks have finally dropped the 100 year event nonsense. It rains in inches now, and I am old enough to remember when measuring in inches was only for snow. Yes we are tilting at windmills, but proposals like The Green New Deal that seek to address the massive inertia of the way we are now doing everyday things are met with outright disdain. And one of our two political parties wants to undo the mega advances for no other reason than to piss off the other side. Our standard of living? Please, we actually live better that people at anytime in history, and we still want more and more. As far as dependance goes, five or six players in the OPEC world can shut off the oils spigot and raise the prices of fuel on a whim, and the USA suppliers are grinning all the way to the bank. Thanks for writing Carl, but I don't see the carbon capture as promising on the scale required, and like fission, it's 5 years away, and always will be...
I do get tired of that argument that we should not do anything because India and China are not on board. The U.S. are leaders. If we set an example, the rest of the world will eventually follow.
pragmatic
your posts shows you don't know what that word means
and the use of 'realistic' as you misuse a word
is primo hypocrisy
prag·mat·ic | praɡˈmadik |
adjective
dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations: a pragmatic approach to politics.
• relating to philosophical or political pragmatism.
• Linguistics relating to pragmatics.
And I would take it even further ---
to the point where the person talking about left wing Democrats.. they defy logic.
Because if you asked them if they thought climate change existed... they would likely accept that at some level.
The problem: they would say 'it's not that bad' or 'something we can fix' because if they were honest and said it was a real problem, it would mean maybe they accept they should be doing something about it.
Much like someone who drinks.. they might concede they have a problem or it could be problematic, but to say they are an alcoholic would mean change and they don't want that
The analogy to alcoholism is apt.
I thought it was a little extreme in some ways and way short in others
It is clear under the little that the democrats are doing (often limited by the republicans) that our planet is toast
but under the republicans that think putting carbon in the environment with ultra cheap gas cars and stoves is more important than any inconvenience they may have to endure-- the planet will be gone by the time their children hit retirement.
this is the kind of line of thought liars use
1) you use the straw man argument in assuming corporations are builiding alternatives to fossil fuels.. they are, but not on their own, but through government intervention and demand by customers.. btw -
straw man = rhetoric liars use
2) you totally ignore how cheaper gas just puts more carbon in the environment
•• and I am sure I have heard whine about the green new deal, or when people want to phase out stoves and gas cars.. it is a beautiful like if you are dealing with ignorant people
3) I drive a high mpg vehicle. I buy used vehciles, the next one I get will be a hybird and likely not use gas much.
4) in the winter keep my house at 60° --- yes you read that right. I try not to consume things I don't need to.
5) when I point out that people like #pos_tefanik are putting out policies that make climate change worse, you could try to prove that isn't true
actually you COULDN'T because you know you don't have a leg to stand on.
6) the fact that #pos_tefanik is promoting policies that make climage change worse shows
• she will never have solutions
• she is clueless
• and lying to a clueless base
Blaming the lack of solutions on someone who points out solutions, while also pointing out you support someone who makes it worse
is a wonderful version of irony
it's called:
being a hypocrite
and you are flawless in being a hypocrite
That’s the problem. It’s all about labels, not specifics.
Anyone who supports Trump and his supporters in Washington and around the country has no integrity. Defending dishonesty or not speaking out at all against the violence is ethically and morally wrong.
While I totally agree with your opinion of Trump and his enablers, I want to gently remind you not to fall into the same trap so many of his supporters have, demonizing anyone on the “other” side. Just last night I was out at a local brewery, and visited with a man who I consider a friend, who I know to be a kind and generous person who would never hesitate to help someone stuck on the side of the road, who gives back to his community in many ways. He was wearing a Trump 2020 t-shirt. We are friends; we know each other’s politics, but we just don’t discuss them much. I suppose he has his reasons for still supporting Trump, but he himself has integrity and is as honest as the day is long. I can’t explain it, and it makes me sad because I think he has been misled and manipulated, but I can still be his friend. And maybe by being mine, he can see that those who are anti Trump are not the radical, corrupt, Marxist America-haters Trump says we are. The more we entrench ourselves into opposing camps, the less chance we have of ever finding our way back to the middle ground where government can actually function.
I will respectfully disagree.
I will ask you to read the comments of birkholz in this essay.
Who are the far-left democrats she speaks of (and by that she is referring to the media)? I say this as a far-left democrat, but she isn't talking about me.
I am jehus, I believe we feed the poor. I believe if you are seeking tyranny from your corrupt country (places like Guatemala, that are like they are because of US foreign policy).. I believe we should educate people, that includes history even if it means admitting we were (and sometimes now) a racist country.
I am jehus because I think we help the meek.
I am jehus and an atheist. Do you think your ‘I will help anyone, but wears a trump 2020 t-shirt friend’ wants America to accept asylum seekers? Does he want history taught in school if it means admitting white people owned slaves? Do you think he thinks people should be allowed to lie about an election or does he think they should be prosecuted?
Does he give back to the black community... the gay community.. ?
I don’t know, I don’t want to assume. I do know when I have talked to these folks they are either ignorant or naive. I remember a conversation with a staunch republican about Mitt Romney and how Romney had a different speech when he ran for president, depending on the color of the audience. He told me there was no way that was true.
This guy would do anything for his ‘community’ of upper-class white people.
I just went to a diversity meeting, and the discussion was about how accepting of people of color are the Adirondacks.
One obvious point was, 'do you get that a trump sign, hate, flag, etc is seen as a racist to people of color.'
I am sure your friend would say he isn't racist.. but what do the people of color around him think.
You missed my point. My friend is not perfect. I accept that as a Trump supporter he probably holds views on the topics you mention that are polar opposites to mine and yours. That is why in order to preserve the friendship I don’t confront him and demand he come around to my point of view. But I also see his good points, and he has many. My point again being: few people on Earth are all good or all evil. Most are somewhere in between. Seeing everyone on the “other” side as totally beyond the pale will not solve any of our problems.
Maybe see it as the political equivalent of love the sinner, hate the sin.
It is nice of you to think I missed your point. What I understood was you think your friend is a good person. I understand that. I understand you want to be friends with him because he had good points. My response was not a decree you should call your friend satan, I just suggesting he isn't the saint you want to believe he is because 'he gives to the community.' And maybe his 'giving to the community' doesn't give him get out of jail status for some sins.
I am sure, at some levels and situations, the guy is a great guy.
It is also clear you want to see him as a good guy. Nice of you.
But I will ask you, if you and Ted Bundy both volunteered at the animal shelter, you could say he gives to the community. However, when you found out he was a serial killer would you be upset, or would you just avoid that topic?
Not saying trump 2020 is a serial killer... but then who knows if he supports one or more insurrections.
Just to clarify who I am. If I was the kind of person who wore t-shirts, I might wear an Obama t-shirt.
But I would stop wearing it the moment he asked someone to overturn a legal election.
Of course if I found out my animal shelter pal Ted was a serial killer I would not only be upset, I would turn him in to the police! I don’t excuse or condone actual bad behavior. But if my friend at the animal shelter who isn’t a serial killer himself, who still does a good job at the shelter, was yet still friends with Ted, I would be sad. I would think he is making a mistake. And yes, I would probably avoid the topic rather than make an enemy. Friends who disagree can still talk. Enemies can only fight.
Where has demonizing people gotten us as a country? Right where we are now. Hating people because they don’t believe the same things you do cannot lead to a good result. Even if it is a fact that you are right and they are wrong.
what if your pal Ted was financing the serial killer, or in this case the insurrectionist..
Would I be wrong to think he was evil, that he was a danger to our society
What if I thought he was mentally incompetent since he couldn't grasp reality? would I be part of the hate, would I be someone who demonized a person.. I wouldn't neccesarily hate him, I would kind of hate the person taking advantage of the person and exploiting his inability to grasp reality.
Would it be bad of me to be right and dislike the person who is wrong and mentally short, not to mention hating the person who exploited him?
I see F*** Joe Biden bumper stickers all the time.. and if I see them children see them... I might actually think that person is evil..
Also, I might suggest to you, if that person is so uncivil and hateful that it wouldn't be much of a jump to expect him to be a racist and not just hate democrats but people of color.
So I think that way and will continue you think is creating hate
Did you honor your friend by questioning how he supports someone without integrity or compassion?
Yes, I did. I did get him to admit that Trump is a lousy human being. But he also believes the line of bs that he’s been fed by Fox, so he’s willing to overlook that because “Trump is tough on China” and “tax cuts.” Even if I think he’s wrong, he is entitled to his opinion. I don’t see him as hateful. He was as appalled as I was at Jan. 6th. He feels bad actors around Trump were to blame. So. Do I call my friend an idiot, lose the friendship, not change his mind anyway? Or do I keep talking about the things we do agree on and have in common? I just don’t see how cutting him off would be helpful.
Great reminder. We all need to be able to talk about our differences - from time to time.
I keep in mind there are people like the election professionals in Georgia, Arizona and other states that didn’t go along with helping the coup effort. Many Republicans also are now without a party because of the extremes of Trumpism.
I agree, I believe there are many locally as well.
Mike Parwana. Ask Ms Birkholz if she is refering to Mike Parwana who as chair of the Queensbury Democratic Committee asked Democrats not to seek the CON ballot line. Some of them refused. They made specious arguments that are provably wrong saying “you can’t win with just the DEM line.”
You will recall that John Strough was arrested for some form of petition fraud for carrying a CON party petition in his race against Rachel Seeber. He insisted he needed the line to win election. Not only was he arrested, but he lost the primary on the CON line to Seeber. In the general election Seeber held 5 ballot lines, Strough held only the DEM line but he won with about 58% of the vote.
In every other election for Supervisor Strough has run unopposed yet he insists he needs the CON line to win. But this is not about Strough, I’m only using him as an example.
This year the GF and Qby DEM committees enacted a rule barring endorsement of candidates who would also run on the line of other CONSTITUTED parties, parties with automatic ballot access. It was a rule intended to foster better politics and better government.
Birkholz urged voters to visit the CON party website to see what CONs are all about. I agree. Here’s the link: https://www.cpnys.org/
I have this quaint idea that being a member of a party should mean something, that parties stand for sets of ideas. I also believe in having a big tent, that we in a party do not have to agree on everything - but the CON party has some positions that are far outside the mainstream of DEM ideals, such as opposition the the Equal Rights Amendment, opposition to major necessary environmental action, xenophobic immigration policies, and much more.
When I talk to voters they often say, “both parties are the same,” and when a Democrat runs on the same party line as Donald Trump and Elise Stefanik it poisons the idea that some of us actually offer an alternative. If you are a voter in Queensbury this year you will see endorsed Democrats who are only running on the Democratic Party line: Robin Larkin, Harrison Freer, and myself. You will also see names on the Democratic line who were not endorsed. You will know them because they are also on the CON line, along with Travis Whitehead and James Dobkowski. Imagine that? John Strough and Travis Whitehead sharing a party line?
And that brings up the final point that I’ll address here: the CON party is usually not a real choice. It is rare for them to have candidates who are not registered Republicans or Democrats. This year is an exception in that there are 2 registered Conservatives on the ballot in Queensbury. I’m not sure but I think Dobkowski is endorsed by the CONs, but Whitehead is not. For a party that so rarely has its own candidates why is Whitehead not endorsed? (I have had some discussions with Mr Whitehead. He does not hold to many of the more heinous positions of the CON party, he’s focused on fiscal conservatism. And he has a strong record on that front. Sometimes he’s wrong, but he has found many financial irregularities in town and county business, has saved taxpayers $millions, and exposed some criminal activity)
Okay, one more thing. Read this story about how the CON party pollutes politics: https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/In-this-judicial-district-Conservatives-wield-17429762.php
How do you and I reconcile this (especially with the Birkholz's of the world)
You and I different on nuances, but generally our politics are similar. (I think you are 100% right in this post though)
I am sure you have been in this place/situation: A republican will say to you --> "All democrats believe X" and "X" could be 'open borders' or 'all white people should be persecuted because of slavery'
And you respond, no, that isn't true... and if they don't roll their eyes, they will say, "Many do." and you tell them.. I know lets of democrats and they don't.
But how does one reconcile the fact that republicans want to pretend a narrative that isn't true?
But I really believe, and have yet to see anyone disprove it, the republicans are about winning (at any means). The fact that a republican will say:
• there was no insurrection
• the election was stolen
• trump is being charged for things he didn't do
Isn't something I am making up, it is something I have seen them say and do. Just as the things you have pointed out.
I wonder what to do about these people that don't just have alternative facts. Their reality is what would have had people institutionalized for 30 years ago.
If you want to wrestle with pigs, understand they like the mud.
Right on, Ken.
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She told me to read social media postings that had been critical of the conservatives.
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Take that sentence and think about what it means. It means our dear friends the republicans, and in this case - - > conservative republicans are persecuted every day by the 'far-left'!
birkholz like just about every republican I have heard or seen quoted are persecuted by an invisible boogey man: The ‘far-left’!
Clearly birkholz couldn't name one. #pos_tefanik can't name one.
And when there isn't one, you can never name one. However, if you pretend there is one to people who are afraid and think the world is coming for them, they believe.
A couple months ago, I was having a conversation with these types of folks, they totally believed all the media was 'left-leaning'. Not the New York times, but the local shopper that have pro-republican / anti-Democrat editorials in them most weeks.
BUT
When I asked for examples, they didn't have one: But it EXISTS they maintained.
This is because people like birkohlz and #pos_tefanik present a narrative that isn’t true.
They lie.
This article proves it, when you can’t cite what you say is true, you are lying.
This is no different than the off-used lie: Democrats want open borders. This isn’t a case of a few want open borders, this is a case of they are lying. Saying it makes it real in the fearful and weak-minded.
But it is a lie.
And birholz, #pos_tefanik .... the gop depend on their supporters believing the lies because they have no policy. They have no solutions.
with many more lies
this is the gQpedos m.o.
I have the secret
I have
I have
but I am not going to show you facts because then you would know
you don't
just went through ans showed where you have made statements you can't prove
now I get it you watch hannity and swallow hard and whole
I am not at fault for being the same kind of fool
There is no laptop
there is a hard drive, but there is no forensic evidence that it HASN'T been tampered with
there is no connection with Joe Biden
and after all the lies about their being a connect, should one come up it would be hard to believe just because of the numerous lies about it
the very same lies you fail
to stop repeating
but if you need compassion
Sorry I don't accept your lies
Excellent analysis- does the “radical right “ ever listen to themselves?
and as wonderful as that sounds to you
it is wrong
a lie
and a lie told purposely for effect and little else
it is a good tool to use --- > lies
Lack of respect for the results of elections and the work of American courts, along with the DOJ and FBI, is so conservative. Maybe Carol Birkholz should write a letter on that.
But then, I suppose it would devolve into talk of “weaponization” and USBs being passed around like vials of cocaine and Hugo Chavez, Italian satellites and bamboo fibers in Chinese ballots. You know, mainstream thinking on the American right.
Maybe I should give Elise the benefit of the doubt. It may just be about the Benjamins and not about supporting Trump. I still get a chuckle out of the “Official Trump Defense Fund” where she’s taking 99% and giving 1% of it to defending him.
I need to ask again.
How do we convince republicans of reality?
I think it’s a race against time. The political spin is aggravating and idiotic, but it seems the courts are actually doing their jobs. If Trump is convicted before the election, there may be some upheaval, perhaps even dangerous and violent acts, but it will eventually die down. Once he’s in jail, there is no one on the Republican side who has half his mesmerizing capacity. The ship should right itself. If he gets acquitted or, God forbid, elected, all bets are off. I believe we will slide into a dictatorship. Hang on to your hats, folks!
That is the hope one has.. buuuuuutttttt
I see on social media (i.e. #pos_tefanik's) her promoting the big lie and her supporters/hmpy trmpy supporters --- BELIEVING the lie
The handful of people on the Warren County Conservative Committee have done a great job convincing people that they are a lot more important than their numbers indicate. The Times-Union did a good piece on how they use this fallacy to heavily influence state Supreme Court judge elections.
They are not even a real party. They almost never run registered Conservatives. They just glom on to registered Republicans and a few registered Democrats, who should be ashamed to share a line with Trump and Stefanik.
https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/In-this-judicial-district-Conservatives-wield-17429762.php