I’m not so sure Fox viewers will hear any of it if all they watch is fox and all they read is the NY Post. I’m still hoping although I’m sure there will be the typical “They all lie.” Response I’ve heard over the years.😥
Check out Bari Weiss, the ex-NYT reporter who got so much attention for quitting. Honestly, I read and listen to so much, I don't memorize what's said that I object. A red flag goes up and I move on unless I intend to use it. As I have about the activist reporting on WCAX.
I check out Bari Weiss criticism and it seems to be mostly centered on its opinion section and failure to be less liberal and more inviting to other viewpoints. That is a legitimate criticism but nowhere could I find that she said the NYT lies. The opinion section - like most newspapers - is just a small part of the total product. It’s reporting on national and international issues remains outstanding. You can disagree with editorial board, but I can’t find any examples of reporters or editors lying like Fox did.
I certainly did not make that response. Do you have examples of the lies that NPR told. I’m not trying to be a jerk, but as editor of the newspaper I was regularly told that we were “biased.” But when I asked for examples, no one could ever give me one.
You certainly did not. I was responding to Barbara's comment above mine. I've come to think that no media outlet is free bias.
About a month ago, I heard you being interviewed on your local PBS. I was impressed. Hence, my entry into this website. I've watched the PBS New Hours for decades. I can barely tolerate them now. Maybe they have always been bias but, I was more liberal 10 years ago. PBS & NPR changed that.
Why did I come here? For decades my go-to local news channel was WCAX. No longer. I neither trust my local nor national WCAX. This is what they have put out lately -- "people" who pump in the workplace, "some" who take abortion pills, and "normalizing menopause". I complained about their trans activism. I received back a very angry email calling me transphobic and hateful. Oh, how instantaneously those words fall from liberal tongues.
I tell people that if you are looking for “bias.” You can find it in a headline, a word. It almost sounds like you don’t like the attempts to cover controversial issues. We all have some sort of bias, but as a journalist we guarded against including that in our reporting. And if we failed, an editor was supposed to catch it. Tell me specifically one thing that NPR lied about.
Very interesting you accuse me to defend YOUR bias. Incredible. You are unwilling to hear charges against liberal media.
There is a BIG difference between reporting and activism. Can't believe that you would activist reporters!
AGAIN, I stopped listening to NPR because of their bias. AND AGAIN, I refer you to YouTube, Professor Peter Boghossian, his co-host and ex-NPR reporter - All Things Re-Considered.
You apparently don't want to hear the lies first hand.
I don't listen to FOX. I think they are idiots. Still, you can't possibly believe that only FOX lies!
I think commentators stretch the truth, but what Fox did was outright lies. I watch CNN and MSNBC in small does, and I can’t remember being blatantly lied to. If I discovered a reporter deliberately lying in a story when I was editor, they would have been fired immediately.
I am thinking that what you interpret as “bias” , incorrectly, is simply hearing reporting that make you uncomfortable. As Ken has asked you several times, please present us with an example of what offends you.
Oops didn't answer your lies from NPR question. I referred you last week to YouTube, All things Re-Considered, Peter Boghossian (?sp). Apparently, you didn't care enough about proof.
Wondering where your bitterness comes from. Transphobic seems an appropriate adjective if you were protesting trans activism. How many trans people do you actually know?
Oops didn't answer your lies from NPR question. I referred you last week to YouTube, All things Re-Considered, Peter Boghossian (?sp). Apparently, you didn't care enough about proof.
Sophia, I listened to the first episode of All things Re-Considered and they seem to be doing the same thing that they accuse NPR of doing. Which is, stating of view without giving data or alternative viewpoints. Case in point concealed weapons carrying in Massachusetts. One of the hosts, Matt Thornton said that the caller, who was complaining about a story NPR did on gun control, knows the topic of gun laws well because, "He has a concealed carry permit in Massachusetts which is not easy to get so he knows gun laws." How do we know that it is not easy to get a permit in MA or that the guy knows gun laws? Also, Matt went on to say that people who have concealed carry permits, "are the most law abiding, and commit the least amount of crimes." Matt did not provide any statistics or any data to support his statement, and if we fact check that we can see that that's not true. So in my opinion, they are doing the same thing that they're accusing NPR of doing.
Sophia, I did listen to Gina Gambony. She was a public media journalist who worked for public radio stations WHRO and WHRV. Her issue with NPR is that they are not a radio station and their programming/sales has changed the way public radio stations do business.
In Saranac Lake.. There is a long-time restaurant, with new owners. They started having drag show brunch.. which actually seems kind of popular.
But on the Adirondack Daily Enterprise facebook page, when the event started there was great (fake?) outrage. Anger for an event they would not attend (because no one is forcing them to go). Anger purely because it was happening. Anger because they are afraid of what they do not understand
And all because they didn’t want it to happen. Again ----> something they did not have to attend. After all, it isn’t drag queens with assault weapons at the gun show.
These folks -- seemingly all feaRepublicans --- upset about a basic free speech event. One they did not have to attend. The fact it was at a library, likely a place they don’t often go.
Albeit, anecdotal viewing, I have yet to meet one of these feaRepublicans who have read a book in the last five years. Perhaps not even to their children.
///In fact (here is a side-tangent), #pos_tefanik used to post books she had read on her instagram page. All that has been removed. Far be it anyone would think she is educated. And while I don’t think any book reading (book learning?) is bad. stiffy never read non-fiction. Kind of sad when you think that an elected official.. does not read books with facts in them. Especially when she has to make decisions on Climate Change, Military (history), economics.. things that affect her constituents.
I guess that is why she relies on lobbyists to tell her how to think.\\\\\
Now because of this lack of interest in facts, I can see why drag queen protesters would not be interested in listening to a reporter explain how the news is covered. How non-fiction works. Because any reporter who is objective and tethered to reality is not going to tell them what to hate. Is not going to validate their fear fetishes.
What is confusing to me.. why they oppose those who believe in free choice.. why are they taking away time from their family. Why aren’t they concerned about reading to their kids?
Instead, you pretty much know that they are ‘raising their kids right,’ by taking them to weekend gun shows to learn about killing machines then going to lunch at Hooters to objectify women.
Of course, in the end, you have to ask yourself which child is going to grow up to be a mass shooter. I am guessing it IS NOT the one who listened to the person who skewed gender roles and laughed at how those who are different are not so different from each of us.
That was my first thought as well. Are these protestors actual library patrons. And 2nd, I think it is a case of "free speech for me but not for thee" ; trying to stop a library from presenting information. Ironic on too many levels.
Regarding the Fox News lawsuit, I have been thinking more about whether it might stifle speech, but at the end of the day, it is about who was harmed by it. If they purposely pushed out false information after they knew it was false, the people who were damaged by it have a right to made whole.
The people were mostly objecting to a drag Queen doing the story hour from what I understand of it. So I don’t think wearing a dress would give you more of an audience.
I’m not so sure Fox viewers will hear any of it if all they watch is fox and all they read is the NY Post. I’m still hoping although I’m sure there will be the typical “They all lie.” Response I’ve heard over the years.😥
I'm not so sure libs will hear any of it if all they watch is CCN, MSNBC and read the NYT.
What lies have the NYT perpetrated? Can you give examples? A link would be helpful.
Check out Bari Weiss, the ex-NYT reporter who got so much attention for quitting. Honestly, I read and listen to so much, I don't memorize what's said that I object. A red flag goes up and I move on unless I intend to use it. As I have about the activist reporting on WCAX.
I check out Bari Weiss criticism and it seems to be mostly centered on its opinion section and failure to be less liberal and more inviting to other viewpoints. That is a legitimate criticism but nowhere could I find that she said the NYT lies. The opinion section - like most newspapers - is just a small part of the total product. It’s reporting on national and international issues remains outstanding. You can disagree with editorial board, but I can’t find any examples of reporters or editors lying like Fox did.
when asked for facts
only the feaRepblicans think
'I don't remember' is adequate
that answer is so-so-phia
Will you be watching ?
"They all lie." Interesting Barbara, complaining about NPR here last week, which has become untrustworthy, that's exactly the response I got.
I certainly did not make that response. Do you have examples of the lies that NPR told. I’m not trying to be a jerk, but as editor of the newspaper I was regularly told that we were “biased.” But when I asked for examples, no one could ever give me one.
You certainly did not. I was responding to Barbara's comment above mine. I've come to think that no media outlet is free bias.
About a month ago, I heard you being interviewed on your local PBS. I was impressed. Hence, my entry into this website. I've watched the PBS New Hours for decades. I can barely tolerate them now. Maybe they have always been bias but, I was more liberal 10 years ago. PBS & NPR changed that.
Why did I come here? For decades my go-to local news channel was WCAX. No longer. I neither trust my local nor national WCAX. This is what they have put out lately -- "people" who pump in the workplace, "some" who take abortion pills, and "normalizing menopause". I complained about their trans activism. I received back a very angry email calling me transphobic and hateful. Oh, how instantaneously those words fall from liberal tongues.
I tell people that if you are looking for “bias.” You can find it in a headline, a word. It almost sounds like you don’t like the attempts to cover controversial issues. We all have some sort of bias, but as a journalist we guarded against including that in our reporting. And if we failed, an editor was supposed to catch it. Tell me specifically one thing that NPR lied about.
Very interesting you accuse me to defend YOUR bias. Incredible. You are unwilling to hear charges against liberal media.
There is a BIG difference between reporting and activism. Can't believe that you would activist reporters!
AGAIN, I stopped listening to NPR because of their bias. AND AGAIN, I refer you to YouTube, Professor Peter Boghossian, his co-host and ex-NPR reporter - All Things Re-Considered.
You apparently don't want to hear the lies first hand.
I don't listen to FOX. I think they are idiots. Still, you can't possibly believe that only FOX lies!
Oh, by the way. A dress won't do it. You'll have to pornografy yourself to get attention.
A dress would help. Add a Groucho mustache and the room is yours!
I don’t believe that was what was happening here.
I think commentators stretch the truth, but what Fox did was outright lies. I watch CNN and MSNBC in small does, and I can’t remember being blatantly lied to. If I discovered a reporter deliberately lying in a story when I was editor, they would have been fired immediately.
I am thinking that what you interpret as “bias” , incorrectly, is simply hearing reporting that make you uncomfortable. As Ken has asked you several times, please present us with an example of what offends you.
Oops didn't answer your lies from NPR question. I referred you last week to YouTube, All things Re-Considered, Peter Boghossian (?sp). Apparently, you didn't care enough about proof.
Wondering where your bitterness comes from. Transphobic seems an appropriate adjective if you were protesting trans activism. How many trans people do you actually know?
LOL.
So you get my point?
What point? You haven't made a single sensible statement.
PeterBoghossian is a conspiracy “activist” and a white supremacy “activist”. I thought you were disparaging activism as bias.
Like I said, you haven't made a sensible statement.
And you haven’t answered my question: Do you know any trans person?
o how evil you are Mr. Tingley.
You asked for examples, just one and of course so-so-phia has none
Oops didn't answer your lies from NPR question. I referred you last week to YouTube, All things Re-Considered, Peter Boghossian (?sp). Apparently, you didn't care enough about proof.
Sophia, I listened to the first episode of All things Re-Considered and they seem to be doing the same thing that they accuse NPR of doing. Which is, stating of view without giving data or alternative viewpoints. Case in point concealed weapons carrying in Massachusetts. One of the hosts, Matt Thornton said that the caller, who was complaining about a story NPR did on gun control, knows the topic of gun laws well because, "He has a concealed carry permit in Massachusetts which is not easy to get so he knows gun laws." How do we know that it is not easy to get a permit in MA or that the guy knows gun laws? Also, Matt went on to say that people who have concealed carry permits, "are the most law abiding, and commit the least amount of crimes." Matt did not provide any statistics or any data to support his statement, and if we fact check that we can see that that's not true. So in my opinion, they are doing the same thing that they're accusing NPR of doing.
Keep listening. Do you hear the ex-NPR reporter.
Sophia, I did listen to Gina Gambony. She was a public media journalist who worked for public radio stations WHRO and WHRV. Her issue with NPR is that they are not a radio station and their programming/sales has changed the way public radio stations do business.
You and I did not listen to the same video.
She starts @14:26. https://youtu.be/PPvNucxB7TI
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Thanks for the refreshing Monday morning post. Have a good week ahead!
I don’t think a lot of the rightwing media viewers really mind being lied to. Paradoxically, they’re comforted by having their grievances fed.
My belief is... they don't believe it is lies.
They actually need the lies, because to them they are the 'facts' that validate what they want to hear.
Luzerne protest
In Saranac Lake.. There is a long-time restaurant, with new owners. They started having drag show brunch.. which actually seems kind of popular.
But on the Adirondack Daily Enterprise facebook page, when the event started there was great (fake?) outrage. Anger for an event they would not attend (because no one is forcing them to go). Anger purely because it was happening. Anger because they are afraid of what they do not understand
Fear fetish.
Which is good for them, since they fear so much
This is the current feaREpublicans. Their bosom is based in hate. I suspect the people who turned up for a Lake Luzerne Library protest, to protest drag queen story hour (https://poststar.com/news/local/unapologetically-ourselves-drag-performer-at-center-of-lake-luzerne-library-controversy-has-hope/article_dfc53700-dafe-11ed-9f0d-afdeb14cdd13.html), would not have shown up to protest a ‘History of Nazi’s’ event.
And all because they didn’t want it to happen. Again ----> something they did not have to attend. After all, it isn’t drag queens with assault weapons at the gun show.
These folks -- seemingly all feaRepublicans --- upset about a basic free speech event. One they did not have to attend. The fact it was at a library, likely a place they don’t often go.
Albeit, anecdotal viewing, I have yet to meet one of these feaRepublicans who have read a book in the last five years. Perhaps not even to their children.
///In fact (here is a side-tangent), #pos_tefanik used to post books she had read on her instagram page. All that has been removed. Far be it anyone would think she is educated. And while I don’t think any book reading (book learning?) is bad. stiffy never read non-fiction. Kind of sad when you think that an elected official.. does not read books with facts in them. Especially when she has to make decisions on Climate Change, Military (history), economics.. things that affect her constituents.
I guess that is why she relies on lobbyists to tell her how to think.\\\\\
Now because of this lack of interest in facts, I can see why drag queen protesters would not be interested in listening to a reporter explain how the news is covered. How non-fiction works. Because any reporter who is objective and tethered to reality is not going to tell them what to hate. Is not going to validate their fear fetishes.
What is confusing to me.. why they oppose those who believe in free choice.. why are they taking away time from their family. Why aren’t they concerned about reading to their kids?
Instead, you pretty much know that they are ‘raising their kids right,’ by taking them to weekend gun shows to learn about killing machines then going to lunch at Hooters to objectify women.
Of course, in the end, you have to ask yourself which child is going to grow up to be a mass shooter. I am guessing it IS NOT the one who listened to the person who skewed gender roles and laughed at how those who are different are not so different from each of us.
I am wondering how many times those Luzerne protestors had previously ever visited the library and made use of its contents?
So do I.
Ugly bigoted comment.
That was my first thought as well. Are these protestors actual library patrons. And 2nd, I think it is a case of "free speech for me but not for thee" ; trying to stop a library from presenting information. Ironic on too many levels.
Oh, do wear a dress to your next library gig, Ken! I have a closet full of bling you can borrow! But I don't think we wear the same size shoe.
My wife says I have the legs for it, so I guess that is something.
Great article this morning re Fox spreading deliberate lies. How I hope they are held accountable! Keep up the fine reporting!
Regarding the Fox News lawsuit, I have been thinking more about whether it might stifle speech, but at the end of the day, it is about who was harmed by it. If they purposely pushed out false information after they knew it was false, the people who were damaged by it have a right to made whole.
I think Fox will setttle out of court - can't imagine they want this to go to trial.
The people were mostly objecting to a drag Queen doing the story hour from what I understand of it. So I don’t think wearing a dress would give you more of an audience.