She is as worthless as they come. Her generation and some of ours are completely destroying the Republican party. It is so unbelievable that people in this state won't admit that. I am so glad that I got away from that party! It's a disgrace and embarrassment to this country!
There has always been distrust and conflict between the parties. I think that is natural. Trump unleashed a hateful trend that has permeated our politics and also society as a whole. (The name calling still kills me as a mature adult who always despised bullies.) Elise has fallen in line with a variety of other Republicans that either echo Trumps hatred or stay silent which is just as bad, maybe worse because they are cowards. The hypocrisy of the party now is beyond comprehension. Do you feel the trembling earth when you walk outside? That is all those old time Republicans rolling in their graves.
Donald Trump is again openly inciting violence on his campaign trail. Elise's covering up for him and enabling him not only contributed to past violence, but is fueling the threat of future violence. She needs to stop. And she is putting Alvin Bragg, specifically, in harm's way with her posts.
Good for Jill Lochner. It takes guts and conviction to run for congress, especially against the likes of Rep. Stefanik. I would almost consider changing parties so I could vote in the primary against the second most divisive politician in this country (guess who is the first?). But as Ken points out, the republican party has turned its back on candidates like Jill who have an uphill battle. So I'll stick to the democratic party and hope that voters in the 21st reject Stefanik's craziness.
I think you pretty much said everything, Ken. She is strong on guns, it's true. And she is in pictures smiling with election deniers, and clearly wants to rise with Trump- corrupt, cruel, dangerous, someone who lies all the time and has, as his mission, to have power and overthrow our democracy. Her "mission" of greed and power is clear--what i cannot understand is how and why my neighbors and our district support someone who has no principles....., no honesty, no integrity.
Stefanik repeats the same insipid words about the "extreme left wing dangerous Biden and Democrats", policies which all democrat countries support and already have: health care, family leave, child care subsidies, workers rights to organize...Stefanik might have supported the suffragetes a long time ago but i do not think she supports the ERA, or rights of women, blacks, gays, poor, working people or the rights of our earth, or the rights of parents and teachers, or voting rights or truth and justice for all....o . As someone who has taught for over 30 years, who loves to see people grow into their deepest and richest selves, who loves diverse voices and biodiversity in nature,Ii am horrified by her notion of "parental rights" --her wanting to control and restrict, not educate and deepen curiosity, learning, exploration, understanding...truth.
I wish Jill Lochner much success. It’d be great to have a choice of honorable people on the ballot. I give her credit for seeming to run a campaign based on drawing contrasts between herself and Elise Stefanik as opposed to whatever that is that Ron DeSantis is doing.
Seems like a high risk/high reward strategy to me and really the only one available to her. There is no “more Trumpy than Elise” position. With a year and a half to go who knows what happens. I’m watching the Soros chorus and the rest of the wingnuttery over the not yet an indictment in NYC and wondering where do they go from there. The best and brightest in the Republican House are giving aid and comfort to domestic terrorists and House leadership that includes Stefanik have no problem with that. Same day Alvin Bragg was putting a terrorist away for 18 years. You know, doing his job for the people who elected him.
So, I can’t help but think when Willis and Smith drop indictments the pro-Trump caucus in Congress is going to only have one position available. That is that Trump was cheated in the election by zombie Hugo Chavez and Italian satellites and ballots with bamboo fibers and, of course, George Soros. Therefore, Trump was justified in calling an insurrectionist mob to the Capitol in order to install the fake electoral ballots.
If there’s another way to spin it and support Trump, I can’t wait to see it. Maybe at some point during that, some few of the upstate Republican leaders will dig down deep and find some sense of patriotism and devotion to this country and say maybe their party would be better off if it was represented by Jill Lochner.
Elise Stefanik is wholeheartedly endorsing the insanity that went on in Waco and the alt right whispering that went along with it. It should be an easy choice for upstate Republicans to reject that and support Jill Lochner.
1) for much of the last eight years.. and especially the last five I have been saying the exact thing Ms. Lochner has been saying
2) in that time I have had various media say.. they were too busy to cover the lies o #pos_tefanik
Let's just say stiffy is like climate change.. it existed 20 years ago.. scientists pointed out facts back then... eLIEs IS hot air now, but she was hot air then. She is criminal.. a lying criminal
3) it has been 10 years.. and still the media will not state the facts
#pos_tefanik is a liar
#pos_tefanik talks about results... one of the things Ms. Lochner points out is how if you go to congress.gov you can look and see what stiffy has done in nine years... not only has she authored a bill into law. 95% of her bills don’t even make it into committee
4) the assumption that #pos_tefanik is a politician and is allowed to lie is supported by our current social media. I lost an account for pointing out the lies, the simple everyday likes of eLIEs.. and who still has multiple social media accounts, the queen of lies.
I think you have coined a new phrase--"maelstrom of violence". It is defined as a powerful often violent whirlpool sucking in objects within a given radius. It's a good description of what is going on in Trump world which includes our congresswoman.
“This is yet another candidate who has zero ties to the district, will get zero support and will not even qualify for the ballot,” he said. “Elise has earned a landslide victory every election and has never had stronger support among both primary and general election voters in NY-21.”
is as amazing and amusing as it gets. Of all people to say someone has no ties to the community....
Little miss liar
• used a vacation home to pretend she lived in the district
• has not had a town hall in about five years
• has not been interviewed by the local media for the same amount of time (Ms.Lochner has spent more time in the last two months with local media than #pos_tefanik has in the last three years)
• will support any ny21 racist, if they donate to her (ava l ashendorff / joel lapierre )
This poor woman ( Jill Lochner ), doesn’t stand a chance. Elise/Local GOP have proven in the past to have zero respect for the voters and Democracy and have adopted a win at all cost ethos. Unless Mrs. Lochner has the money, which she doesn’t,…to hire an army of lawyer well versed in campaign law to fight what will be undoubtedly be the sleazy dealings of her own party, …it’s a lost cause. The Republican county chairs will never even let this woman get on the ballot to primary Elise. Ask Russ Finley how this all worked out for him.
Mr Tingley have you heard anything about the possibility of Stefanik not even running in 2024. I ask because I went to look up some campaign finance info on Stefanik the other day and there was no info for the 2024 election cycle. There are other reasons for not having this information posted yet I know, but I did find it curious…Also, not that I believe a word she says, but she has in the past said she would term limit herself…plus all the rumors that she has other political ambitions ie a possible VP offer…
She said when she first ran she would not stay longer than five terms (this is her fifth), but many other politicians have changed their minds about things like this. She said before the last election that she would make a decision about another term in the future. Perhaps, she is going all in on Trump. I always thought she might end up with the national GOP because she has been such a prolific fundraiser. Not sure what to make about no information in this cycle, although her fundraising did drop off in 2022 from 2020.
The article you cite is pretty he said/they said. My feeling at the time Finley was running was that he was not particularly well organized and also I never really got the point of why he would’ve been a better choice than Stefanik.
In the case of Lochner, she does seem to be presenting herself as an actual alternative and not as a defender of Trump above and beyond party, family, God and country. One interesting note on her website is that she declares herself a pro-choice Republican. In the age of Dobbs we’ll see if that’s notable.
There’s over a year until a Republican primary. I’m willing to keep a flicker of hope alive that she has a chance. In any case, she can’t have any less of a chance than a Democrat would. If I have no chance of being repped by a Democrat, then my second choice is a Republican who’s at least pro-democracy and anti-dictatorial rule.
Conspirator voices whining grow louder as justice becomes imminent. Fake investigations by those who themselves ignored congressional subpoenas investigating January 6 are theatrics. Jack Smith brought in two high profile public corruption prosecutors who have dealt previously with politicians in office to root the seditious traitors out, try them and convict them. Elies will have nowhere to hide when her part in this attempt to defraud the United States is uncovered.
She is as worthless as they come. Her generation and some of ours are completely destroying the Republican party. It is so unbelievable that people in this state won't admit that. I am so glad that I got away from that party! It's a disgrace and embarrassment to this country!
Just a little civility would be nice.
You would have to give her the definition of that. She has a mental deficiency don't forget. 😊
Maybe it’s time the Republican Party start listening to their constituents instead of their doners. Politics is a messy business.
There has always been distrust and conflict between the parties. I think that is natural. Trump unleashed a hateful trend that has permeated our politics and also society as a whole. (The name calling still kills me as a mature adult who always despised bullies.) Elise has fallen in line with a variety of other Republicans that either echo Trumps hatred or stay silent which is just as bad, maybe worse because they are cowards. The hypocrisy of the party now is beyond comprehension. Do you feel the trembling earth when you walk outside? That is all those old time Republicans rolling in their graves.
“Hypocrisy” is the word. Local political leaders don’t seem to understand what that means.
Donald Trump is again openly inciting violence on his campaign trail. Elise's covering up for him and enabling him not only contributed to past violence, but is fueling the threat of future violence. She needs to stop. And she is putting Alvin Bragg, specifically, in harm's way with her posts.
sadly it is working
Alvin Bragg has had death threats, shortly after various tRUMP rhetoric of violence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2l5Pw2Bm2A&list=PLDIVi-vBsOEyzn3fpggcI_v_ocKTaguWV
it is time to hold trump and #pos_tefanik responsible for their hate speech
Is there a link to support this candidate?
IT's somewhere in Hungary!
http://jillforcongress.com
here is her twitter page
https://twitter.com/jill_lochner
Good for Jill Lochner. It takes guts and conviction to run for congress, especially against the likes of Rep. Stefanik. I would almost consider changing parties so I could vote in the primary against the second most divisive politician in this country (guess who is the first?). But as Ken points out, the republican party has turned its back on candidates like Jill who have an uphill battle. So I'll stick to the democratic party and hope that voters in the 21st reject Stefanik's craziness.
You can go back to what happened to Roy McDonald a decade ago and he was a Republican’s Republican.
I think you pretty much said everything, Ken. She is strong on guns, it's true. And she is in pictures smiling with election deniers, and clearly wants to rise with Trump- corrupt, cruel, dangerous, someone who lies all the time and has, as his mission, to have power and overthrow our democracy. Her "mission" of greed and power is clear--what i cannot understand is how and why my neighbors and our district support someone who has no principles....., no honesty, no integrity.
Stefanik repeats the same insipid words about the "extreme left wing dangerous Biden and Democrats", policies which all democrat countries support and already have: health care, family leave, child care subsidies, workers rights to organize...Stefanik might have supported the suffragetes a long time ago but i do not think she supports the ERA, or rights of women, blacks, gays, poor, working people or the rights of our earth, or the rights of parents and teachers, or voting rights or truth and justice for all....o . As someone who has taught for over 30 years, who loves to see people grow into their deepest and richest selves, who loves diverse voices and biodiversity in nature,Ii am horrified by her notion of "parental rights" --her wanting to control and restrict, not educate and deepen curiosity, learning, exploration, understanding...truth.
Interviewed retiring sopervisor recently and even he was very careful about criticising. He was afraid of hurting his community. Thats ruthless.
I wish Jill Lochner much success. It’d be great to have a choice of honorable people on the ballot. I give her credit for seeming to run a campaign based on drawing contrasts between herself and Elise Stefanik as opposed to whatever that is that Ron DeSantis is doing.
Seems like a high risk/high reward strategy to me and really the only one available to her. There is no “more Trumpy than Elise” position. With a year and a half to go who knows what happens. I’m watching the Soros chorus and the rest of the wingnuttery over the not yet an indictment in NYC and wondering where do they go from there. The best and brightest in the Republican House are giving aid and comfort to domestic terrorists and House leadership that includes Stefanik have no problem with that. Same day Alvin Bragg was putting a terrorist away for 18 years. You know, doing his job for the people who elected him.
So, I can’t help but think when Willis and Smith drop indictments the pro-Trump caucus in Congress is going to only have one position available. That is that Trump was cheated in the election by zombie Hugo Chavez and Italian satellites and ballots with bamboo fibers and, of course, George Soros. Therefore, Trump was justified in calling an insurrectionist mob to the Capitol in order to install the fake electoral ballots.
If there’s another way to spin it and support Trump, I can’t wait to see it. Maybe at some point during that, some few of the upstate Republican leaders will dig down deep and find some sense of patriotism and devotion to this country and say maybe their party would be better off if it was represented by Jill Lochner.
Elise Stefanik is wholeheartedly endorsing the insanity that went on in Waco and the alt right whispering that went along with it. It should be an easy choice for upstate Republicans to reject that and support Jill Lochner.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2023/03/26/the-return-of-crazy-town-00088865?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=00000167-bc5e-d06b-a7e7-be5f064a0000&nlid=630318&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
You forgot to mention Elises' thinly veiled anti-semetic dog whistle when she called Alvin Bragg "Soros backed".
1) for much of the last eight years.. and especially the last five I have been saying the exact thing Ms. Lochner has been saying
2) in that time I have had various media say.. they were too busy to cover the lies o #pos_tefanik
Let's just say stiffy is like climate change.. it existed 20 years ago.. scientists pointed out facts back then... eLIEs IS hot air now, but she was hot air then. She is criminal.. a lying criminal
3) it has been 10 years.. and still the media will not state the facts
#pos_tefanik is a liar
#pos_tefanik talks about results... one of the things Ms. Lochner points out is how if you go to congress.gov you can look and see what stiffy has done in nine years... not only has she authored a bill into law. 95% of her bills don’t even make it into committee
4) the assumption that #pos_tefanik is a politician and is allowed to lie is supported by our current social media. I lost an account for pointing out the lies, the simple everyday likes of eLIEs.. and who still has multiple social media accounts, the queen of lies.
I think you have coined a new phrase--"maelstrom of violence". It is defined as a powerful often violent whirlpool sucking in objects within a given radius. It's a good description of what is going on in Trump world which includes our congresswoman.
<b>This is yet another candidate who has zero ties to the district,</b>
Lochner’s website says that all 4 of her kids were born in Glens Falls.
<b>After struggles with infertility, I am now a proud mother of four young children, all born in Glens Falls.</b>
She seems to have moved around a bit in the state, but she couldn’t possibly have weaker ties to the North Country than the tourist from Albany.
this #pos_tefanik comment
“This is yet another candidate who has zero ties to the district, will get zero support and will not even qualify for the ballot,” he said. “Elise has earned a landslide victory every election and has never had stronger support among both primary and general election voters in NY-21.”
is as amazing and amusing as it gets. Of all people to say someone has no ties to the community....
Little miss liar
• used a vacation home to pretend she lived in the district
• has not had a town hall in about five years
• has not been interviewed by the local media for the same amount of time (Ms.Lochner has spent more time in the last two months with local media than #pos_tefanik has in the last three years)
• will support any ny21 racist, if they donate to her (ava l ashendorff / joel lapierre )
All accurate!
It's painful to read but thanks for keeping Elise on my radar. I am indeed very concerned. The more power she gets, the more fascist she sounds.
This poor woman ( Jill Lochner ), doesn’t stand a chance. Elise/Local GOP have proven in the past to have zero respect for the voters and Democracy and have adopted a win at all cost ethos. Unless Mrs. Lochner has the money, which she doesn’t,…to hire an army of lawyer well versed in campaign law to fight what will be undoubtedly be the sleazy dealings of her own party, …it’s a lost cause. The Republican county chairs will never even let this woman get on the ballot to primary Elise. Ask Russ Finley how this all worked out for him.
👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼
https://www.saratogian.com/2018/04/16/congressional-candidate-blasts-gop-over-endorsement-process/
Thats the sad part. By trying to do the right thing, Stefanikbwill try to ruin her.
Mr Tingley have you heard anything about the possibility of Stefanik not even running in 2024. I ask because I went to look up some campaign finance info on Stefanik the other day and there was no info for the 2024 election cycle. There are other reasons for not having this information posted yet I know, but I did find it curious…Also, not that I believe a word she says, but she has in the past said she would term limit herself…plus all the rumors that she has other political ambitions ie a possible VP offer…
👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼
https://www.fec.gov/data/candidate/H4NY21079/
She said when she first ran she would not stay longer than five terms (this is her fifth), but many other politicians have changed their minds about things like this. She said before the last election that she would make a decision about another term in the future. Perhaps, she is going all in on Trump. I always thought she might end up with the national GOP because she has been such a prolific fundraiser. Not sure what to make about no information in this cycle, although her fundraising did drop off in 2022 from 2020.
The article you cite is pretty he said/they said. My feeling at the time Finley was running was that he was not particularly well organized and also I never really got the point of why he would’ve been a better choice than Stefanik.
In the case of Lochner, she does seem to be presenting herself as an actual alternative and not as a defender of Trump above and beyond party, family, God and country. One interesting note on her website is that she declares herself a pro-choice Republican. In the age of Dobbs we’ll see if that’s notable.
There’s over a year until a Republican primary. I’m willing to keep a flicker of hope alive that she has a chance. In any case, she can’t have any less of a chance than a Democrat would. If I have no chance of being repped by a Democrat, then my second choice is a Republican who’s at least pro-democracy and anti-dictatorial rule.
Go,Go, Go Jill Lochner!!!
Conspirator voices whining grow louder as justice becomes imminent. Fake investigations by those who themselves ignored congressional subpoenas investigating January 6 are theatrics. Jack Smith brought in two high profile public corruption prosecutors who have dealt previously with politicians in office to root the seditious traitors out, try them and convict them. Elies will have nowhere to hide when her part in this attempt to defraud the United States is uncovered.