I often ask to what end do they destroy something that has taken the work of so many, so long to build? What purpose is served by ending these programs? By not knowing what is coming, are we rally part of the problem? I strain at my ability to come up with an answer as to who is the master served by this criminal neglect of public trust. And it is for the pathetic reason I've come to believe is the closest I'm gonna get: They do it to piss us off, to "own" the libs. That's it. If it wasn't so dangerous and hateful, it would be laughable. The more I think of this the less sense it makes but why else deny climate science? And to convince one half of our elected congress to go along? With the obvious result on display, the denial deepens and it becomes and end unto itself, tough to get through to, and if Texas doesn't do it, for the life of me I can't imagine what would.
If righteous anger from pseudo-Christian MAGA -tRump -votingTexans, who have lost their family members, friends, homes, businesses, cars and MAG-decorated trucks…
with no hope that FEMA or other Trump-dismantled and depleted disaster-relief agencies will come to their rescue…
were to rise up from their devastation and clearly see the betrayal within the “Repugnant Regime”…
that reaction truly could/would be a tsunami- like force that could destroy parts of the shaky foundation within current MAGA cults.
But ironically, there could be a swifter ouster-of-Trump if the current Trump-associated cover-up of the Epstein sex-trafficking scandal …including our convicted-sex crime felonious President’s close social relationship with Epstein (with photos proving their sicko association)…were to violate what’s left of any moral fibers within our elected state and federal MAGA gov’t officials.
If our former Prez Clinton, Trump, and a slew of other former/current politicians and other VIPs possibly on this purported “Epstein List ”… get swept away in the tides of TRUE JUSTICE ……so be it.
I have no hope the Texas disaster and the Epstein disgrace would ever turn Congress and the MAGA cult entirely against Trumpty Dumpty to the point of dumping his arse. Sadly, the millions of MAGAts chalk up the lives lost in Texas as collateral damage to "saving" money by hobbling FEMA and government, in general. And even if Trumpty Dumpty and his scummy associates were found to be guilty of the most heinous, perverse crimes with Epstein, MAGAts -- even females -- would maintain they are a macho badge of courage, that the minor girls were just asking for it, that their parents were to blame and that the filthy participants were just doing what comes naturally. They're all just in a dark hole.
I think that I suffer from the belief that such wanton destructive impulses "can't happen here."
But surely they have happened in many places, many times before. The Terror during the French Revolution. The Einsatzgruppen following the German army into conquered portions of the Soviet Union. The Mongol hordes. The Barbarians at the gates of Rome. Stalin's State Purges. Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
The ones known to us from history are violent actions. Perhaps the sheer destructive cruelty of Trump 2.0, while so far not involving murder and rape and the dynamiting of American cities and infrastructure, is akin.
Such destructive impulses are "made fun of" in the Addams Family train crash scene:
Little Robbie Ortt has proven that he is a full on MAGA useful idiot who has accomplished nothing in the State Legislature and his minion Dan Stec are taking a hateful page from the molesting orange clowns agenda. By the way, smiling Matt Simpson will have collected over one million dollars in salary, per diems, and benefits at the end of this term, his third. Talk about a waste of tax dollars. Not a single piece of legislation, a single dollar of local funding yet the loyal republicans continue to support him. All politics is local they say so I guess Betty Little is full on responsible for the rot in Washington. Loyal to her party, betraying her community.
I worked in the Assembly's minority member services department for a couple years long ago, when Tedisco was the minority leader. It was probably the most political (guess that's why we were considered "legislative employees"), dysfunctional, wasteful, corrupt organization I've encountered. And it was all done using taxpayer money. Assembly Republicans are inconsequential except when it comes to the money drain, so they just put out meaningless, pitiful media releases and statements (compiled by their own illiterate, lazy staff or the member services personnel) so they make it look like they actually have power in state government. LOL. BTW, those same member services personnel either gladly or are forced to go campaigning for the GOP members throughout the state when it comes to election time -- on the taxpayer dime.
...[looks like] America is [i.e. 'we' are] committing suicide- and whether by stupidity or by intention is debatable but, ultimately, merely an academic question: a question, doubtless, soon to be illegal for universities to study...
there is the ol'crone who stalks all these posts of Ken Tingley, just because she is out to 'get me' she comments sleazy crazy and vile comments on pos_tfnKKK and NCPR facebook page. While not close to death threats... very close to it and who knows her cast of evil friends are thinking...
These attacks on me.. often include attacks on Mr.Tingley
What is frightening about it.. isn't the subtle threats but...
º how deranged her comments are
º how she is working so hard to dox
º how her evil compatriots (facebook friends) have made violent threats
it is much like hmpy trmPedo's rhetoric that has lead his mentally unstable supporters to commit violent threats
Death threats seem to be the knee-jerk response these days to political statements someone doesn’t like. Cartoons in particular have incited murderous rage (Charlie Hebdo) — which proves the power of images to reveal uncomfortable truths.
That violence and threats of violence (against judges, journalists, elected officials) have become so common is to me a clear sign that we’re no longer living in a civil society where laws and rights are respected.
Is it ironic or moronic that these American threats smack of the tactics used by Iran's clerics and ayatollahs against anyone who offends them (or Allah)? Does that mean MAGAts are in cahoots with the ayatollahs, or are they just employing Iran's book of hate?
It seems to me that each and every day, those who subscribe to the extremist ideology of MAGA and pledge fealty to Trump, just get more and more agitated, push hate and inspire those who tend to think political violence is the answer. Honestly, I am not surprised at the "outrage" and pointed threats to Zyglis. One only has to look at the responses from elected Republicans after the murders of Melissa Hortman and her husband in Minnesota. The shooter has blamed Gov. Walz saying that Walz encouraged him to kill Democrats as part of some twisted plot.
Let's not forget that Trump recently proclaimed that he "hates Democrats".
Not one peep from NY Republicans, be that they hold office federal, state or local levels.
Yet, when Biden said that what he saw and heard at the MSG rally in NYC was "garbage", Republicans, especially Stefanik, had total meltdowns.
Civil discourse has disappeared since the rise of Trump/MAGA.
The outrage at the cartoon - if it is that - comes from the MAGA/Trump pose as permanent victim. The Great Replacement Theory, etc., and all such defensive stances, being the self-serving paranoia of sociopaths such as Trump. The quote on the sign in the cartoon is from Ronald Reagan, another "Mr. Television", like Trump, who made it to the White House by looking better on TV than his rival. The rule ever since JFK. Trump's victories came from being male & white.
"Many Republicans and Trump supporters thought the cartoon was mocking victims."
those gQpedo Republicans (who vote to kill children) didn't think it was mocking vicitims, but they knew they could trigger some people into thinking that by saying it. Let's call it 'rage provoking lies'
Back in the late 90's when traveling I could pick up an AM signal and listen to Rush Limbaugh.. I was listening one time thinking.. this isn't true... he wasn't saying out and out lie.. just misappropriation of the truth. At one point I thought.. I am going to count the lies.. In three minutes I was up to 10 lies.
There were mostly 'rage provoking lies' He was say things like: "Democrats don't think you are smart enough to know that the democrats are taking your rights away.
ª he was imposing a fear of democrats that was unfounded
ª as a democrat I was not thinking republicans were dumb (not until I realized there were fools falling for those lies)
ª it was (and still is) actually republicans taking rights away
ª it is nearly impossible to know what anyone (including democrats) are 'thinking' but rusty was telling his loyal listeners HE KNEW
Add to this he would drone on and on through the mid-day. rusty would repeat this rhetoric over and over, day after day... and there were republicans listening to this without a filter... I don't know if you could call it brain washing, but what else could you call it?
Much like fox.. and we have all heard someone (always a republican) say something that analytically was not true. But what was the most telling, it was eactly what seanhannity had said on his show the night before, nearly word for word.. He had no data to prove he was right (he wasn't)
It reminds me of an interview I saw with newtgingrich where he said: "Americans are afraid of the rising crime wave." and when the reporter countered with the actually crime statistics showed that crime was actually going down, newt countered with: "but Americans feel it is going up."
There is no factual logic in that, but he was right.. if you listen to gingrich hannity, limbaugh fox news.. you would believe in an different world, one not based on reality
NOAA also published "Notice to Mariners" monthly, vital to every ocean, lake & river navigator for updating navigational charts (maps) prior to getting underway, including our Navy & Coast Guard. As part of the navigation team on our Navy ship in 1968, I knew how this NOAA function (probably transmitted electronically today) was essential. We'll see how badly this genius move by Trump & Co., reduces our Navy's ability to own the seas & defend our country. DUH!
This cartoon about the floods and lack of governmental help is an example of critical thinking...something that is sorely lacking in our current society.
I love Adam Zyglis. I follow him on Threads now. Ken might remember the Roger Ailes as God, Trump as Adam cartoon. Some of the locals were particularly humorless over it. I emailed Adam over the episode and he was properly amused. Sorry to hear he’s receiving hate from morons.
Anyway, for anyone interested I still have an account on my blog if you don’t mind the cobwebs. Apologies for the blog shilling.
Thanks, Ken, for the tutorial on political cartoons. Have always “enjoyed” them. I look forward to the whole page of cartoons in the Saturday edition of the Times-Union, as well as the daily’s.
Why, oh why, can’t people just disagree and have civil discourse, instead of being angry, hateful, and issuing death threats. Some, I believe, is the result of their own insecurity and low sense of self-esteem.
They remind me of the preacher who, either consciously or subconsciously, shouts and pounds on the pulpit in an attempt to cover up his own uncertainties and unbelief.
The cuts in government weather forecasting and FEMA are essentially the point of Adam Zyglis' political cartoon. Already, it has been reported that FEMA is falling behind the phone calls from Texas residents. Robert Hubbell's column the other day stressed that we need to focus on returning Congress to a genuine group of representatives who will expand the Supreme Court beyond the current conservative element destroying our democracy.
To me the cartoon symbolized the lack of insight that led those in Texas to vote against their own interests, and the power of the right wing media manipulation that even as they need help, prevents them from gaining the insight necessary to break free. No more, no less. Not flattering, maybe, but certainly not mocking them. It stirs pity in me, not ridicule.
I hate the conflicting feelings the Texas flash flood disaster has caused me to experience. I can’t imagine the grief of the people who lost loved ones, who lost homes, who lost livelihoods or all three. They have my deepest sympathies. I would not want to be in their position by any means.
On the other hand, it is likely that many in that area voted for the federal, state and local elected officials that have let them down. When I look at it in that light, I can find little grief for those who put political ideology ahead of good solid planning that could have staved off this level of tragedy and that is exactly why that political cartoon stings.
I often ask to what end do they destroy something that has taken the work of so many, so long to build? What purpose is served by ending these programs? By not knowing what is coming, are we rally part of the problem? I strain at my ability to come up with an answer as to who is the master served by this criminal neglect of public trust. And it is for the pathetic reason I've come to believe is the closest I'm gonna get: They do it to piss us off, to "own" the libs. That's it. If it wasn't so dangerous and hateful, it would be laughable. The more I think of this the less sense it makes but why else deny climate science? And to convince one half of our elected congress to go along? With the obvious result on display, the denial deepens and it becomes and end unto itself, tough to get through to, and if Texas doesn't do it, for the life of me I can't imagine what would.
If righteous anger from pseudo-Christian MAGA -tRump -votingTexans, who have lost their family members, friends, homes, businesses, cars and MAG-decorated trucks…
with no hope that FEMA or other Trump-dismantled and depleted disaster-relief agencies will come to their rescue…
were to rise up from their devastation and clearly see the betrayal within the “Repugnant Regime”…
that reaction truly could/would be a tsunami- like force that could destroy parts of the shaky foundation within current MAGA cults.
But ironically, there could be a swifter ouster-of-Trump if the current Trump-associated cover-up of the Epstein sex-trafficking scandal …including our convicted-sex crime felonious President’s close social relationship with Epstein (with photos proving their sicko association)…were to violate what’s left of any moral fibers within our elected state and federal MAGA gov’t officials.
If our former Prez Clinton, Trump, and a slew of other former/current politicians and other VIPs possibly on this purported “Epstein List ”… get swept away in the tides of TRUE JUSTICE ……so be it.
I have no hope the Texas disaster and the Epstein disgrace would ever turn Congress and the MAGA cult entirely against Trumpty Dumpty to the point of dumping his arse. Sadly, the millions of MAGAts chalk up the lives lost in Texas as collateral damage to "saving" money by hobbling FEMA and government, in general. And even if Trumpty Dumpty and his scummy associates were found to be guilty of the most heinous, perverse crimes with Epstein, MAGAts -- even females -- would maintain they are a macho badge of courage, that the minor girls were just asking for it, that their parents were to blame and that the filthy participants were just doing what comes naturally. They're all just in a dark hole.
I think that I suffer from the belief that such wanton destructive impulses "can't happen here."
But surely they have happened in many places, many times before. The Terror during the French Revolution. The Einsatzgruppen following the German army into conquered portions of the Soviet Union. The Mongol hordes. The Barbarians at the gates of Rome. Stalin's State Purges. Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
The ones known to us from history are violent actions. Perhaps the sheer destructive cruelty of Trump 2.0, while so far not involving murder and rape and the dynamiting of American cities and infrastructure, is akin.
Such destructive impulses are "made fun of" in the Addams Family train crash scene:
https://youtu.be/HMxJtMoTnx8?feature=shared
“Unlimited power in the hands of limited people always leads to cruelty.” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
And these are very limited people in this administration.
Great quote.
Little Robbie Ortt has proven that he is a full on MAGA useful idiot who has accomplished nothing in the State Legislature and his minion Dan Stec are taking a hateful page from the molesting orange clowns agenda. By the way, smiling Matt Simpson will have collected over one million dollars in salary, per diems, and benefits at the end of this term, his third. Talk about a waste of tax dollars. Not a single piece of legislation, a single dollar of local funding yet the loyal republicans continue to support him. All politics is local they say so I guess Betty Little is full on responsible for the rot in Washington. Loyal to her party, betraying her community.
I worked in the Assembly's minority member services department for a couple years long ago, when Tedisco was the minority leader. It was probably the most political (guess that's why we were considered "legislative employees"), dysfunctional, wasteful, corrupt organization I've encountered. And it was all done using taxpayer money. Assembly Republicans are inconsequential except when it comes to the money drain, so they just put out meaningless, pitiful media releases and statements (compiled by their own illiterate, lazy staff or the member services personnel) so they make it look like they actually have power in state government. LOL. BTW, those same member services personnel either gladly or are forced to go campaigning for the GOP members throughout the state when it comes to election time -- on the taxpayer dime.
...[looks like] America is [i.e. 'we' are] committing suicide- and whether by stupidity or by intention is debatable but, ultimately, merely an academic question: a question, doubtless, soon to be illegal for universities to study...
evil is evil.
'on the record incase someone does something'
there is the ol'crone who stalks all these posts of Ken Tingley, just because she is out to 'get me' she comments sleazy crazy and vile comments on pos_tfnKKK and NCPR facebook page. While not close to death threats... very close to it and who knows her cast of evil friends are thinking...
These attacks on me.. often include attacks on Mr.Tingley
What is frightening about it.. isn't the subtle threats but...
º how deranged her comments are
º how she is working so hard to dox
º how her evil compatriots (facebook friends) have made violent threats
it is much like hmpy trmPedo's rhetoric that has lead his mentally unstable supporters to commit violent threats
Death threats seem to be the knee-jerk response these days to political statements someone doesn’t like. Cartoons in particular have incited murderous rage (Charlie Hebdo) — which proves the power of images to reveal uncomfortable truths.
That violence and threats of violence (against judges, journalists, elected officials) have become so common is to me a clear sign that we’re no longer living in a civil society where laws and rights are respected.
Is it ironic or moronic that these American threats smack of the tactics used by Iran's clerics and ayatollahs against anyone who offends them (or Allah)? Does that mean MAGAts are in cahoots with the ayatollahs, or are they just employing Iran's book of hate?
It seems to me that each and every day, those who subscribe to the extremist ideology of MAGA and pledge fealty to Trump, just get more and more agitated, push hate and inspire those who tend to think political violence is the answer. Honestly, I am not surprised at the "outrage" and pointed threats to Zyglis. One only has to look at the responses from elected Republicans after the murders of Melissa Hortman and her husband in Minnesota. The shooter has blamed Gov. Walz saying that Walz encouraged him to kill Democrats as part of some twisted plot.
Let's not forget that Trump recently proclaimed that he "hates Democrats".
Not one peep from NY Republicans, be that they hold office federal, state or local levels.
Yet, when Biden said that what he saw and heard at the MSG rally in NYC was "garbage", Republicans, especially Stefanik, had total meltdowns.
Civil discourse has disappeared since the rise of Trump/MAGA.
The outrage at the cartoon - if it is that - comes from the MAGA/Trump pose as permanent victim. The Great Replacement Theory, etc., and all such defensive stances, being the self-serving paranoia of sociopaths such as Trump. The quote on the sign in the cartoon is from Ronald Reagan, another "Mr. Television", like Trump, who made it to the White House by looking better on TV than his rival. The rule ever since JFK. Trump's victories came from being male & white.
I disagree with:
"Many Republicans and Trump supporters thought the cartoon was mocking victims."
those gQpedo Republicans (who vote to kill children) didn't think it was mocking vicitims, but they knew they could trigger some people into thinking that by saying it. Let's call it 'rage provoking lies'
Back in the late 90's when traveling I could pick up an AM signal and listen to Rush Limbaugh.. I was listening one time thinking.. this isn't true... he wasn't saying out and out lie.. just misappropriation of the truth. At one point I thought.. I am going to count the lies.. In three minutes I was up to 10 lies.
There were mostly 'rage provoking lies' He was say things like: "Democrats don't think you are smart enough to know that the democrats are taking your rights away.
ª he was imposing a fear of democrats that was unfounded
ª as a democrat I was not thinking republicans were dumb (not until I realized there were fools falling for those lies)
ª it was (and still is) actually republicans taking rights away
ª it is nearly impossible to know what anyone (including democrats) are 'thinking' but rusty was telling his loyal listeners HE KNEW
Add to this he would drone on and on through the mid-day. rusty would repeat this rhetoric over and over, day after day... and there were republicans listening to this without a filter... I don't know if you could call it brain washing, but what else could you call it?
Much like fox.. and we have all heard someone (always a republican) say something that analytically was not true. But what was the most telling, it was eactly what seanhannity had said on his show the night before, nearly word for word.. He had no data to prove he was right (he wasn't)
It reminds me of an interview I saw with newtgingrich where he said: "Americans are afraid of the rising crime wave." and when the reporter countered with the actually crime statistics showed that crime was actually going down, newt countered with: "but Americans feel it is going up."
There is no factual logic in that, but he was right.. if you listen to gingrich hannity, limbaugh fox news.. you would believe in an different world, one not based on reality
NOAA also published "Notice to Mariners" monthly, vital to every ocean, lake & river navigator for updating navigational charts (maps) prior to getting underway, including our Navy & Coast Guard. As part of the navigation team on our Navy ship in 1968, I knew how this NOAA function (probably transmitted electronically today) was essential. We'll see how badly this genius move by Trump & Co., reduces our Navy's ability to own the seas & defend our country. DUH!
This cartoon about the floods and lack of governmental help is an example of critical thinking...something that is sorely lacking in our current society.
I love Adam Zyglis. I follow him on Threads now. Ken might remember the Roger Ailes as God, Trump as Adam cartoon. Some of the locals were particularly humorless over it. I emailed Adam over the episode and he was properly amused. Sorry to hear he’s receiving hate from morons.
Anyway, for anyone interested I still have an account on my blog if you don’t mind the cobwebs. Apologies for the blog shilling.
https://hometown-usa.blogspot.com/2017/06/prudes-in-hometown.html?m=1
https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrEtmxFundoXY07MM6InIlQ;_ylu=c2VjA3NyBHNsawNpbWcEb2lkAzExNmY2MDkwMDU4MDFlMTg2ZmMxZTUyNTdlYmMxNGVmBGdwb3MDMQRpdANiaW5n?back=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dadam%2Bzyglis%2Bcartoon%2Broger%2Bailes%2Bmichaelangelo%26fr%3Dyfp-hrmob%26fr2%3Dpiv-web%26_tsrc%3Dyfp-hrmob%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D1&w=500&h=404&imgurl=images.cartoonstock.com%2Flowres%2Fpolitics-roger_ailes-legacy-donald-politics-republican-EC353635_low.jpg&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cartoonstock.com%2Fdirectory%2Fn%2Fnews_legacy.asp&size=64KB&p=adam+zyglis+cartoon+roger+ailes+michaelangelo&oid=116f609005801e186fc1e5257ebc14ef&fr2=piv-web&fr=yfp-hrmob&tt=News+Legacy+Cartoons+and+Comics&b=0&ni=21&no=1&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=o.r7xYSABn1l&sigb=HFQQYxCOjwiN&sigi=YHgzItBDOG8f&sigt=ZJXUcddf0gI5&.crumb=p8Ujs/Fiy3m&fr=yfp-hrmob&fr2=piv-web&_tsrc=yfp-hrmob
Thanks, Kevin - had never seen any of these. The one with Cruz is the best! (and worst)
Thanks, Ken, for the tutorial on political cartoons. Have always “enjoyed” them. I look forward to the whole page of cartoons in the Saturday edition of the Times-Union, as well as the daily’s.
Why, oh why, can’t people just disagree and have civil discourse, instead of being angry, hateful, and issuing death threats. Some, I believe, is the result of their own insecurity and low sense of self-esteem.
They remind me of the preacher who, either consciously or subconsciously, shouts and pounds on the pulpit in an attempt to cover up his own uncertainties and unbelief.
The cuts in government weather forecasting and FEMA are essentially the point of Adam Zyglis' political cartoon. Already, it has been reported that FEMA is falling behind the phone calls from Texas residents. Robert Hubbell's column the other day stressed that we need to focus on returning Congress to a genuine group of representatives who will expand the Supreme Court beyond the current conservative element destroying our democracy.
I think you described the cartoon much better than I did.
To me the cartoon symbolized the lack of insight that led those in Texas to vote against their own interests, and the power of the right wing media manipulation that even as they need help, prevents them from gaining the insight necessary to break free. No more, no less. Not flattering, maybe, but certainly not mocking them. It stirs pity in me, not ridicule.
Exactly.
I hate the conflicting feelings the Texas flash flood disaster has caused me to experience. I can’t imagine the grief of the people who lost loved ones, who lost homes, who lost livelihoods or all three. They have my deepest sympathies. I would not want to be in their position by any means.
On the other hand, it is likely that many in that area voted for the federal, state and local elected officials that have let them down. When I look at it in that light, I can find little grief for those who put political ideology ahead of good solid planning that could have staved off this level of tragedy and that is exactly why that political cartoon stings.
Sad to report, wait until the next hurricane hits Louisiana - and there will be one - and there is no one to help them.
Every state that is routinely subject to natural disasters is going to suffer.